People are actually trying to say new Annie is toxic lol.

WoonStruck·Sep 11, 2016·2 votes·396 views

Did you forget to buy , or at least + early?

Starting to realize why glass cannon builds are unreliable?

Upset that your poor choices are punished harder by a certain champion?

Seriously, what gives with people the last few seasons? You would get laughed at in seasons 1 and 2 if you went complete glass cannon, even as ADC by the time you hit 4th item, unless you were MASSIVELY far ahead, which in most cases often meant grabbing an early BV/GA for safety anyway.

Why do people refuse to utilize the clear-cut counters that are offered to them in-game vs these so-called 'toxic' champs? /

8 Comments

KarunamonSep 11, 20164 votes

I love (read: hate) how "toxic" is getting thrown around as an all purpose insult for "thing about League I don't like" rather than it's original use, which is basically negative, trolling, passive-aggressive chat.

Zach SandwhichSep 11, 20162 votes

The only thing toxic about annie is the chainsaw murder machine that is tibbers. Thats the only thing I don't like cause if you kill her Tibbers gets a buff and just runs you down making playing an immobile champ hell.

OneMustFallSep 11, 20161 votes

Annie still blows you up even if you have item 3001 , you need health on top of that and honestly with item 3116 Tibbers just beasts on you. Not saying she's broken but she's insanely strong right now because of how defensive she is while having high burst damage.

RequiemsfireSep 11, 20161 votes

Makes me wonder what drove Riot to slap something very close to Sion's passive onto Tibbers.

Sona x RubickSep 11, 20161 votes

item 3116 is what will make you survive, not +20% mitigation when you have 900 hp.

WoonStruckSep 11, 20161 votes

Considering you start with either 30 or 42, depending on rune-page, you have 130-142% EHP vs magic damage to start. Adding item 1057 grants an additional 40% to that, which is a 21-31% increase in EHP. This means 190-280 extra health vs her using your 900 HP example.

Toss in item 2031 , which is almost non-negotiable for laning, you're adding another 303-328 EHP. In total, item 1057 (720g)+ (150g) grants you an additional 493-608 EHP vs her that you wouldn't have had every time you back. That's not including HP regen, which is more significant than you think throughout the course of the 8+ minutes of early laning.

So for the low investment of 870 gold early on, you invalidate 493-608+ damage she would have dealt, which gives you an approximate value of 1314-1621 gold in health, not to mention the gold you denied by not feeding. That's not including the HP you have from item 1056 and the EHP reduction from her runes/masteries, which makes that early negatron far, far better than what I'm even suggesting.

If you really think she's going to be an issue, you can go from that item 1057 directly into item 3116 . Congrats, she basically can't fight you now. Finish that Abyssal, it becomes worse for her, and you're setting yourself up for an extremely good mid-game, while having the zoning threat vs Annie to be sure she cannot engage safely.

This means she can never all-in you at basically any point unless you're simply being stupid.

Sona x RubickSep 11, 20161 votes

i don't need math to fight annie, everytime i fought her she killed me despite having abyssal and she never killed me when i had rylai.

WoonStruckSep 11, 20161 votes

You don't need to rush the Abyssal to fight Annie. That's investing another 2000 gold towards an item for the sole purpose of fighting her burst, while it only provides 180 extra gold value for that purpose.

Its the negatron cloak and refillable that's important, not the Abyssal. Abyssal is tossed around because so many people often say "wtf, I need damage not a useless defense only item" or some inane bullshit.

Either way, if you're dying and feel like there's no counterplay, even when going for the full Abyssal, you're doing something seriously wrong. Pressure her more. Push her to turret, show jungle pressure. Hell, go roam bot/top and have your jungle come in to take the mid farm after she pushes.

If all else fails, take exhaust if you can't adapt and just murder her after she wastes everything.

Seriously, these things aren't hard. All of the champions that would have a hard time vs her buy MR early as a standard anyway.