ADCs still barely place wards

chide da jungler··113 votes·3,962 views

... even though they are free.

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BeatzBoyFTW12 votes

They should apply this change:

All Marksman's passives has an added effect:

Git Bitchslapped: If he/she has not placed a single ward(pink or trinket), 40% of their HP will be granted to a nearby ally.

Braum : Thats wut you get for ordering me around while you're not helping me with vision one single bit :3 Vayne : .....

Catastrop2 votes

Typical Vayne Main.

My Sea Cow8 votes

It's habit. Hopefully they will change once it gets later in patch

Erockandroll19 votes

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It's habit. Hopefully they will change once it gets later in patch

Though their is a certain safety factor their. Though warding a brush isn't exactly facechecking a brush, it's close enough for a glass cannon. Which is why in the past, the ADC would get oracle lens, because the cast range allowed them to use it safely. While the Tankier members focused on warding.

If I was playing ADC, I would probably go for the far sight alteration as soon as it was available.

Cipse8 votes

Right now, I go for the Farsight Alteration on everything apart from support. Because, when Warding Totem is at max rank you only have can have an average of 1 ward down at a time.

Retillin2 votes

Yeah, the blue trinket is SO freaking good right now. Place wards in YOUR jungle every 48 seconds (think that's the timer) that never expire. You have an unlimited number of them, so invading becomes almost impossible if you are a smart team. And the range, oh god the range! Placing DEEP wards in the enemy jungle from the safety of the river is insane.

GrReaper961 votes

Yeah but free 15 gold each to the enemy team Might not be much but lets say u place 40 thats free 600 gold

Retillin3 votes

Yes, but if I place 40 (let's say) that means it's roughly 45ish mins into the game. Can't use blue trinket until level 9 and only can drop one a little less than once a min. So adding in all the time you can't/don't want to put one down, let's just round up to once per min. At that point 600 gold isn't much of a deal.

GrReaper964 votes

Hmm i realized my mistake when u said 45 mins. Like games last that long now lol.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

To have 40 wards placed throughout the game that aren't mine. I'll call that a worthy investment.

Ultraboomer1 votes

that depends, which side are you on in this scenario? owner or killer?

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Doesn't matter. If I'm killer, I get free gold. If I'm owner, it means my team is actually warding.

I'm happy with both.

The Bearded Bard7 votes

They also still yell at everyone else for not placing wards, the only difference is you can't tell them to 'buy them yourself'

Limitanei5 votes

Using my power of foresight:

Wards will be removed from the game "to make it an equal playing field"

Supports lose 10% HP for each minion they steal from their ADC partner.

Heal has the MasterYi effect. (The lower you are, the more it heals)

All mana using champs will lose 20% of their max HP because FUCK YOU.

Items that increase crit chance will be 25% cheaper.

Welcome to League of ADCs.

TDubH1 votes

with the exception of adc's who use mana, using mana gives it back as 100% health.

KatCraft4 votes

Try playing ADC with a brand, Vel Koz, Lux, or Zyra support. in those games either I buy the sightstone or no one does -_-

ImNLuvWitATeemo4 votes

i think when people hate on adcs and their attitudes they forget that in about 60% of games ADCs end up with a "support" that refuses to buy a sightstone or ward and takes half the cs and tries to steal all the kills (btw yasuo support was a very popular troll support pick even before the pre-season), then get whined at by the rest of the team for not being able to do damage past 20 mins cause they were never allowed to get money

i play mid adc and support equally and adc is by far the most frustrating role in the game because everyone wants to get high kills and dont want to play support properly / at all

A Liberal1 votes

60% of games? Maybe just because I main support I don't have enough experience but I'm calling bullshit. If you're really having these issues, only play teambuilder and only accept supports like Sona Bard Janna Soraka ect. These guys build a sightstone pretty much always unless AFK or trolling.

ImNLuvWitATeemo2 votes

no one wants to spend 10 minutes in team builder trying to get a team together, especially if you aren't accepting troll supports like yasuo, darius, etc it'll take even longer & a lot of the ppl who pick non troll supports stlil dont ward buy sight stone

my last 11 games as adc i got (this isnt skipping any and i havent played in like 2-3 weeks cause i got very frustrated with the game after this run so i might misremember the games but)

Morgana - warded but also decided it was her job to take all kills she could in lane, now i do take kills on accident when i play support so i dont say anythign and understand when it happens but she was going out of her way to get fed to try and carry like she was playing mid lane

Janna - suicided into the other team's tower about 3 minutes and put us way back in but other than that played very well

Malzahar - i dont think i need to say antyhing about how dumb this was dude suicided several times to make it even worse

Tristana Yasuo - a double top lane so no support

DrMundo didnt ward and took half the cs and several kills cause he wanted to carry, cost us the game because the other adc was same level build/higher than mine by the end of game even though i outplayed them all game long

Yasuo "i need to get creeps too" and took as many kills as they could

Malphite built full ap and no sightstone or wards

Nidalee built full ap and was about as useless as you'd expect a nid support to be, also got us killed several times

Sona bought no wards or sighstone and suicide into the other team several times

Nami had never played nami before and didnt ward

Shaco about as dumb as you'd expect

Now we won some of these games but i had 0 fun and outside of literall 1 game was not even able to play adc how i liked or it is supposed to be played just felt completely useless.... out of the 11 supports only 1 actually played the role it's supposed to be played...

and i play a lot of support (i have max level lux, blitz, and almost leona all as support exclusively) so i know some of the issues facing the class and how it's supposed to be played and they were just trolling and wrote as such in chat because they didnt want to play support... funny thing is that if they had said that in champ select i would have supported no issue

as for warding u can look in any of my recent adc games and see im always one of the top warders (this is before preseason) i always bought the yellow upgrade asap because i knew my supports wouldnt ward because they dont want to support or play it correctly - the ward score thing ppl are throwing around prove it (and this is despite marksman score is lower than it should be because when i first started playing adc i bought blue trinket and didnt know what pinks were)

Ralanr2 votes

Sounds like you need a Sion support. Or just someone who wants to play support.

ImNLuvWitATeemo1 votes

the last sion support i got took every single cs (or attempted to) and said he was trolling because he didnt know how to play support... i would have supported if he said something in champ select i enjoy it.... the ppl i played with all went on to counter strike and smite....

Ralanr2 votes

Sucks man. I've been playing Sion support for the past few games (it's normals though, so you know.) and I've been loving it. Sure I take one or two CS by mistake (face of the mountain feels really slow) but the CC I bring is phenomenal and I can kill secure with my E (I've done it twice when the enemy was low health and under a tower). Plus he's so big that I can walk in front of my ADC to take a lot of the hits, using my W to absorb extra skill shot damage. Downside is that I have no quick way to get to my ADC, but as long as they run away when needed and stay when needed then I'm good.

I tend to hate support as I just do nothing half the time. It feels like a reactionary role and I can't say I enjoy the champions who main support because they'll be forced in bot. I'm glad I can support with Sion since I can bring him top as well.

A Liberal1 votes

All of those supports buy spelltheifs > Eye of the Watchers except maybe for Vel Koz, although personally I've always been against Vel Koz Support.

DazedOnlooker1 votes

Ive ran into alot of vel koz supports lately, and they are soo annoying to deal with on the opposing team but i can't deny how useful they are as a support. his harass is pretty daunting to deal with..the only problem i have seen with them lately is that some of them have been reserving their ults to "kill" instead of "assist" and not letting their adc have the kills..im on the opposite team and i felt bad for their adc each time i saw this happening......like..your Ashe is standing right there healthy..you had no reason to use your ult when we are already low and are basically already dead....at least some of them used wards consistently though.....

Aeolian Melodies2 votes

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Ive ran into alot of vel koz supports lately, and they are soo annoying to deal with on the opposing team but i can't deny how useful they are as a support. his harass is pretty daunting to deal with..the only problem i have seen with them lately is that some of them have been reserving their ults to "kill" instead of "assist" and not letting their adc have the kills..im on the opposite team and i felt bad for their adc each time i saw this happening......like..your Ashe is standing right there healthy..you had no reason to use your ult when we are already low and are basically already dead....at least some of them used wards consistently though.....

In LoL a kill is VERY RARELY actually 100% garen-teed. So the fact that the support also goes all in, whether they're Thresh, Sona or Vel'Koz isn't an issue for me. As a support player too often in the past I've held back because I thought the enemy was clearly dead and I didn't want to take it for myself and ofc something random happens and they live.

DazedOnlooker1 votes

Touche', I have also had moments where i thought that someone was "diffidently dead 10000%" and so i stop attacking, or chasing to let my team mates grab the last hit...and all of a sudden, the enemy remembers that they have heal, or gets a speed boost via support, or an active item, or something else obscure, and end up getting away with 1 tick left and i'm just sitting there feeling soooo guilty for backing off too soon x-x.

blkKalameet1 votes

Vel'koz support is good if they know how to play it. Very aggressive, and might steal a kill or two, but it won't be wasted gold. You should keep poking while doing your best to avoid the minions, and hold your e for a hard engage or escape when needed. Lvl 6 you should be able to kill both laners in one go if the adc follows up.

Don't lump people who know what they're doing in with the dregs wanting to just be the second carry.

Meep Man4 votes

Im pretty sure the only way we are going to get ADCs to place wards is if:

item 3363 Laser Ward This ward can be placed down to reveal the surrounding area as well as shoot anyone in the immediate area, dealing X damage per second. Lasts for 180 seconds and has 3 health. Is not invisible. Trinket

AKA give wards damage. Not saying in any way this is the way to go, but its the sad truth that this is the only way THOSE ADCs might buy wards. It's a terrible idea though.

TonyTonyMordecai1 votes

Can it have the same animation as the death laser from URF?

Aeolian Melodies3 votes

They've technically been free for a while, trinkets aren't exactly new.

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

Don't most adc's go for the Blue Trinket?

Shawck3 votes

It just boils down to laziness and lack of awareness. I think ADC's/people rely too much on the rest of their team, perhaps mainly the jungle and support, to ward the map all game. In the end it only hurts them and their team because there won't be any vision to know where the enemy team is during any part of the game.

Riot made it easier to ward with trinkets and the reduced cost, so there's really no excuse for anyone not to ward. Not to mention a simple fact - if you don't ward to see where the enemy is, then they have the upper hand for planned attacks. I'll state another obvious point - it's a team game, even though plenty of players don't want to contribute to a level where warding plays a pivotal role.

DazedOnlooker2 votes

I can't count the thousands of times ive watched my adc's,mid laners get caught out in the jungle because there was no vision. it becomes infuriating when the enemy team makes camping in bushes in groups of 2-5 their new strategy because they can..they know for a fact that its not warded, but they know that our bot lane jungle is warded they become aware to whom is placing wards and where the wards are being placed (Because of the little debris left behind by old wards..and they see that i'm the only one with a sight stone with 1charge left at all phases of the game)now and their is shit the enemy's lil ol support can do about it, soo many kindreds making a game out of "how many stacks can i get off this adc/mid/sup in xx minutes" later when they realizing that some of us are consistently getting caught out over and over, because of the lack of wards and zero map awareness...i don't even want to remember all the times i spotted a fed enemy in our own jungle clearly going to gank my over extended weak adc who decided it was a good idea to forget that the mini map existed and failed to notice that Lee Sin Destroy my pink ward and walk over one of my green ones in the jungle behind her..

I Swear this dosent just applies to adc's..i also had a game with a fed Riven on our team, whom i'm going to admit..is pretty skilled with riven..the problem i had with her though..was that she ignored the mini map the entire game..you look at her KDA and by the end it looks like she spoon fed the enemy team..but she had tons more kills than deaths..(me on the other hand..fed pretty hard after the enemy team started 2 shotting me). Its because she got caught out each time she left base...she never warded, i was the only one on the team who warded, but late game had to stop because going to ward at that point became too risky, our MissFortune got pretty fed too, but like riven she did not ward, over extended all the time, got caught out, and by late game the only focused on kills..nothing else. i was always left alone to push out the lanes but since i built full support, i had 0 damage to clear waves at all..i always warded behind them when i could. And when we had supper minions attacking our last 2 turrets, our riven respawned and immediately teleported back to top lane to kill the remaining enemy team..leaving our last 2 towers to die, and leaving our nexus exposed

Karma "Riven ...why"

Karma "We need more wards on the map, please help with warding guys"

Riven "Thats what you need to do"

Riven "Also you SHOULD be watching my back and letting me know when im about to get callapsed onby the enemy team, all of my deaths are your fault"

Karma "Uh, no its not my fault, you died alone up there"

Riven "it litteraly is your fault"

Karma "No i'm not you, im not playing your champion, nor am i your eyes."

I had to take a break from league after this game for a few days..

High52 votes

I've given people a hard time when playing adc. 95% of the time, I'm right though. The post game stats for wards placed doesn't lie. I hate when I can place more wards with my trinket (mid or adc) than someone with a sighstone can.

MasterArizona1 votes

IF you placed wards, I doubt your the ADC ppl are hating on right now.

Jeije3 votes

I friggin LOVE the new blue trinket. I buy a pink here and there no matter what role I place, but there's seriously no reason for the marksman to avoid sidegrading to Farsight and get down FREE, UNLIMITED, and PERMANENT wards. It's so damn good :)

High51 votes

^^ This!

A Bad Mystic2 votes

I place wards everytime its off cooldown.... i even get the blue trinket so i can place more vision overall without having to sacrifice safety.....

Azé Majora1 votes

I do the same thing. The downside is that it's visible and takes one hit....

chide da jungler2 votes

lots of ADC exceptions here to tell us how great ADC is at warding. item 3073

I always check my end-game stats and they hit double digits for placement in maybe 5% of games.

Clockwork Mouse2 votes

Tell them to get the blue ward, it is so fun to use. Light up the enemy jungle if they enevr check bushes for them lol. So much vision, and can ward their while jungle from river.

Spoofghoul2 votes

I have the solution

Give all adc's ammo like 50

Only way to restock on ammo is to place a ward.

High51 votes

Nice!

Totalis2 votes

im an adc player, i ward all the time, even more now that wards are free

this'll be true for more and more people as they get used to having wards available

Lhostalis2 votes

Why place wards when you can yell at people for not doing it for you? And I resent that statement, I played ADC a lot and i place wards >:[

sealust1 votes

I have to ping the river multiple times during laning phase to get my adc to ward it. Note that I am watching when they ward and most of the time, when my yellow is down, theirs is up. Or... all the time. Even after i get a sight stone, I still need help warding bot lane.

it's pretty sad when I ward 90% more then the average adc when I play it. :/

A Bad Mystic1 votes

{quoted}

I have to ping the river multiple times during laning phase to get my adc to ward it. Note that I am watching when they ward and most of the time, when my yellow is down, theirs is up. Or... all the time. Even after i get a sight stone, I still need help warding bot lane.

it's pretty sad when I ward 90% more then the average adc when I play it. :/

http://wardscore.loltools.net/?name=Wanderingmystic&region=na

Smitty Manjensen1 votes

Where's your proof of that? Show me a statistic which shows that adc ward less than any of the other roles, also saying the supp wards more is invalid, that's one of his major jobs.

Treyen1 votes

I ward all the time while I adc from the jungle. What a patch, guys.

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