It's been five fucking seasons and you still haven't done anything about this. What are you even spending your time on? I can't even remember the last major non-champion/balance update.
Fadedpf14 votesUnless this thread got 1000 upvotes Riot isn't going to say shit about the issues with afks during ranked and so on. Its so sad but I have just gotten used to them not caring. And even if they did post it would probably be "soon™"
Mecha MaIphite5 votesI don't blame them for ignoring posts when so many of them are filled with negativity, even if some of them do have valid points.
WeFlyNoLie1 votesI wish people had more common sense like this.
If somebody approaches you with questions, are you more likely to respond to them if they're...
A. Swearing and questioning your methods? or... B. Professional and polite while offering alternatives?
I'd go with the latter, because if they're doing the former, they're less likely to listen to anything that is not immediately gratifying so why even bother putting in the effort? I'd rather respond to the people who will appreciate my response and will listen to reasoning rather than only looking for an immediate solution and being insulting in the process.
Food for thought.
Epicusmaximo9 votesWould also love to hear some input from Riot on this. There are solutions.
TheStevenWu9 votesSolution:
Have a vote system (solo queue only). Please keep in mind that the only reason why a system should be in place is because sometimes shit happens that is out of the control of the players (all the players; not just a single or few players your spoiled brats).
Conditions:
Mechanics
Impacts:
Why this system works:
Questions/Criticisms I know I will get (don't waste your time):
This is not fair to the players who have legit excuses to leave. 1A. If you have a legit excuse to leave, then you wouldn't be caring about your rank/status in a video game. If you can still worry about your LP, it's not a legit excuse.
This is not fair to the players who lost their internet connection. 2A. It is your responsibility to test if your internet connection is stable enough to play before every game. Internet connection does not just go out suddenly unless there's some major catastrophe in your area (in which case, see 1A). If you decided to play through lag and ruin everyone else's experience, you deserved punishment.
What about trolls that just sit there and move every few minutes to prevent voting from taking effect? 3A. Tough luck. Make sure to report the players and persuade everyone else to do so as well so he get's permabanned. This isn't a system issue; it's a community issue, and we are the ones who build this community. Not reporting a player is the same as encouraging that player to continue his behavior. If you do not report, you are partially to blame.
What if there was a sudden power outage? 4A. Most cases the power comes back on fairly quick. Log back into your game and stop the voting. If you cannot do so, tough luck. Life isn't always fair, and plus - the chance of this happening is very low to make any real impact in the long run (pro's outweigh con's).
My computer crashed! Its not my fault! 5A. It is most definitely your fault for playing on a shitty computer that cannot run league. If your computer isn't stable enough to play league, you shouldn't play it as it ruins everyone else's experience. If you want to play so badly, buy a new computer. If you can afford to play league, you can afford a new computer. If you're a brat and your parents don't want you playing video games, you shouldn't be playing video games.
People have jobs and lives to take care of. Sometimes unexpected issues come up for work and stuff. 6A. If you can't guarantee an hour window to play league, you shouldn't start a Summoner's Rift game. I feel zero sympathy for you. Otherwise, see 1A.
I'm on the winning team and want my free win! 7A. Since you are an inconsiderate little brat who is too lazy to actually earn your rewards, two words: fuck you!
What about after the 20 minutes mark? 8A. It's called "/ff" and "/surrender". But that's not fair? We have to have a middle-ground here. Either we have no system (currently), or we have a system that works for the most part but have a few flaws here and there. The goal of the system is so we do not have to waste 20 minutes of our lives before surrendering. The goal of the system is NOT to prevent LP loss.
Robert Smith2 votesLet me start off that I like your system. Riot (unlike you) actually seems to have sympathy for toxic player on the hopes that they will reform which is why a low que or toxic island queue does not exist because it doesn't teach them anything. Although I'm tired of toxic and trolling players I feel as though Riot would never take a harsh approach to players in this way.
1Maza2 votesSolution:
Have a vote system (solo queue only). Please keep in mind that the only reason why a system should be in place is because sometimes shit happens that is out of the control of the players (all the players; not just a single or few players your spoiled brats).
Conditions:
Only team AFK'er(s) with vote system can vote.
Votes must be unanimous to take effect. A single "No" vote will cancel voting for 2 minutes.
Initiator of a failed vote cannot initiate any additional votes for the entire game.
Voting process will last 3 minutes before results (to accommodate sudden restroom urges, answering the phone, greeting the door).
Vote available only before the 20 minutes mark.
Mechanics
- Active members of team with the AFK will begin a vote to end game.
- Voting requires the team to unanimously pick the AFK'er(s). AFK'er(s) will be notifified
- If all active members vote yes and the identified AFK'er(s) do not respond (moving, typing, voting, etc.), the game will end in draw; otherwise the game will continue to play
Impacts:
- No LP gains will be awarded to either team.
- IP/Exp will calculate as normal.
- If ranked, all AFK'er(s) will lose ~60-80 LP. If the AFK'er does not have sufficient LP, he will be demoted. If the AFK'er is in a promotion series, he will end the series and lose LP as if he was at 99 LP.
- AFK'er(s) automatically receive 9 counts of "leaving/afk" reports sent to Riot.
Why this system works:
- No abuse. No one is going to willingly take the blame and lose most of their LP or get demoted to prevent a loss for a friend. It's more beneficial to simply suffer your normal LP loss.
- "Winning" team will have less complaints as the game is before the 20 minutes mark and little investments have been made. (Think of it as an extended queue dodge). This system also hopes to deter leaving behaviors from happening through heavy punishment; therefore the need to vote should not be a common occurrence.
Questions/Criticisms I know I will get (don't waste your time):
This is not fair to the players who have legit excuses to leave. 1A. If you have a legit excuse to leave, then you wouldn't be caring about your rank/status in a video game. If you can still worry about your LP, it's not a legit excuse.
This is not fair to the players who lost their internet connection. 2A. It is your responsibility to test if your internet connection is stable enough to play before every game. Internet connection does not just go out suddenly unless there's some major catastrophe in your area (in which case, see 1A). If you decided to play through lag and ruin everyone else's experience, you deserved punishment.
What about trolls that just sit there and move every few minutes to prevent voting from taking effect? 3A. Tough luck. Make sure to report the players and persuade everyone else to do so as well so he get's permabanned. This isn't a system issue; it's a community issue, and we are the ones who build this community. Not reporting a player is the same as encouraging that player to continue his behavior. If you do not report, you are partially to blame.
What if there was a sudden power outage? 4A. Most cases the power comes back on fairly quick. Log back into your game and stop the voting. If you cannot do so, tough luck. Life isn't always fair, and plus - the chance of this happening is very low to make any real impact in the long run (pro's outweigh con's).
My computer crashed! Its not my fault! 5A. It is most definitely your fault for playing on a shitty computer that cannot run league. If your computer isn't stable enough to play league, you shouldn't play it as it ruins everyone else's experience. If you want to play so badly, buy a new computer. If you can afford to play league, you can afford a new computer. If you're a brat and your parents don't want you playing video games, you shouldn't be playing video games.
People have jobs and lives to take care of. Sometimes unexpected issues come up for work and stuff. 6A. If you can't guarantee an hour window to play league, you shouldn't start a Summoner's Rift game. I feel zero sympathy for you. Otherwise, see 1A.
I'm on the winning team and want my free win! 7A. Since you are an inconsiderate little brat who is too lazy to actually earn your rewards, two words: fuck you!
What about after the 20 minutes mark? 8A. It's called "/ff" and "/surrender". But that's not fair? We have to have a middle-ground here. Either we have no system (currently), or we have a system that works for the most part but have a few flaws here and there. The goal of the system is so we do not have to waste 20 minutes of our lives before surrendering. The goal of the system is NOT to prevent LP loss.
Someone finally fucking gets it. There is no excuse to AFK. If you crash or lag out, it's your own fault and you shouldn't have been risking everyone else's experience playing Ranked with shit internet or a toaster oven. Loss prevented needs to be a thing, and afk's need to be punished HARSHLY. This accomplishes both.
Serlthree1 votesSomeone finally fucking gets it. There is no excuse to AFK. If you crash or lag out, it's your own fault and you shouldn't have been risking everyone else's experience playing Ranked with shit internet or a toaster oven. Loss prevented needs to be a thing, and afk's need to be punished HARSHLY. This accomplishes both.
TheStevenWu2 votes
- If you have an legit excuse to leave, yeah, I know that you don't care about you're LP, but then you get leaverbuster and sit 5 mins on a stinkin screen
- What if my internet connection was stable but crashed mid game?
- I agree, report
- "Life isn't alway's fair" I hear this excuse so much times. Life isn't alway's fair but it should be as fair as possible, so make an valid arguement.
- Shitty computer? Define shitty computer.I seen Intel i7's disconnecting at league, while I'm playing with an i5 that can run league
- What if you thought you can but then you get an unexpected work call?
- lol, that I do agree, fuck you
#1, 2, 4: They all fall under the "Life isn't always fair" context. The valid reasoning behind this is briefly explained in #4. The chances of these events happening is significant smaller than the issue at hand (someone else leaving the game for unwarranted reasons). The benefit of having a "loss forgiven" outcome when needed will (hopefully) outweigh the loss endured from the more "extreme" scenarios. It's a form of compromise - you risk losing in some occasions in order to better protect yourself is most others. Don't worry, you won't be banned for disconnecting on rare occasions. I have a "leave" probably once every two months and I've never received punishment. It's kind of like paying for a mediocre insurance plan. By having less insurance cost, you're hoping that these savings will outweigh the costs of a out-of-pocket major accident.
#5: First off, "shitty computer" in this context is defined as a computer that cannot run the game in a stable fashion (presumably on lowest settings). A computer's quality is made up of more than just it's core processors. However, to address your example - the i7 computer that is disconnecting most likely had an issue that is either internet related or hardware damages. If it's internet related, then the topic is irrelevant as we are talking about hardware quality. If it is hardware damage, it is your responsibility to either repair or replace the computer before you play. It is highly unlikely that the a healthy i7 computer (with other standard components) have issues running the game, at least on low settings.
#6: Guaranteeing time to play means that even unexpected work calls can wait until the game is over. If you're in a service industry and was called in because of a spike in business traffic, you are not obligated to work if it's outside your regular schedule. Of course that means you will probably be less likely to get a raise or promotion, but that's your PERSONAL decision. Most people do not work in an industry that requires emergency or immediate response. If you do work in such an industry (eg IT employee, law enforcement, etc), then refer to my answer for #1, 2, 4 (in which case such events are rare). If you work in an industry where such events occur often, you're probably not suited to play League - sorry.
I don't know why the font is coming out weird.
RISE Shlack1232 votesReply to 2A - As an IT professional, I can tell you without a doubt that internet connection can simply drop without notice, without a catastrophe.
You're on to something here, but don't make such bold, untrue statements.
TheStevenWu3 votesReply to 2A - As an IT professional, I can tell you without a doubt that internet connection can simply drop without notice, without a catastrophe.
You're on to something here, but don't make such bold, untrue statements.
You are correct, as it has happened to me before. However, I would refer you to my 4th point. The chances of this happening is not at all often (for most). I would hope that the pro's of the outcome would outweigh the con's. If however, you do live in area where such events occur often, you should probably not be playing a game that requires stable connection.
RISE Shlack1231 votesI'm not talking about power outages, but rather simple losses of internet connection due to something out of your control. You don't seem to realize how many things have to go right in order for you to have a connection in the first place. Random losses of internet connection are going to happen.
However, I do wholeheartedly agree with you that people shouldn't play this game if they know their internet connection is slow or unreliable.
Deymonn2 votesor you could do what dota does and make it safe to leave once the player has abandon the game
Furry Vengeance1 votesI liked what you were saying up until you started talking about how if you have unreliable internet (common), have a bad computer(fairly common), live in an area that has occasional brown-outs, or have a job that on rare occasions requires you to come in without much warning, you shouldn't be playing ranked. Your attitude was very "tough luck go fuck yourself"
TheStevenWu2 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Princess,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZHHky57r,comment-id=000c0004,timestamp=2015-07-17T16:12:27.322+0000)
I liked what you were saying up until you started talking about how if you have unreliable internet (common), have a bad computer(fairly common), live in an area that has occasional brown-outs, or have a job that on rare occasions requires you to come in without much warning, you shouldn't be playing ranked. Your attitude was very "tough luck go fuck yourself"
I get your point. I really do - but unfortunately that's how life works. In an online game, having consistently bad connection issues is like being a disabled person in real life. No matter how badly a disabled kid loves basketball, he's only going to ruin everyone else's experience if he participates.
You wouldn't call someone cold-hearted or selfish for not wanting to play basketball with a kid in a wheelchair. However, I would argue that a disabled person who forces himself unto others is very selfish. Though it's an unfortunate situation, it is not other people's obligation to have to accommodate or push through your personal issues, even if it's directly your fault.
Likewise, if you have shotty internet, no one is blaming you for not being able to play league. But if you force yourself to play through lag and disconnects anyways, you are personally choosing to negatively affect other people. Therefore, from the perspective of the "other people": tough luck go fuck yourself.
Fortunately, internet connection can be fixed. If you live in a bad area or have a cheap plan, move somewhere else or upgrade your plan. If you're not willing to make these sacrifices, why should others make sacrifices on your behalf.
For things that happen on "rare occasions", like i've mentioned before is a pro vs con thing. If you want a benefit, you must make certain sacrifices. If you want a system that forgives, someone needs to take the punishment for you. the system i wrote up is designed around this concept. You want a loss forgiven because of someone's leave or disconnect? I'll give it you, but if you are ever the cause of such events (whether your fault or not), you will have to pay for it. If you don't like, we can keep the current process where everyone gets punished.
Good Monsin4 votesBecause giving one person the power to ruin a game for four others is somehow better then giving us a system where four people who are being negatively effected by that one person can do something to exit the game without consequence even though they had nothing to do with it.
Silents4292 votesIt's been five fucking seasons and you still haven't done anything about this. What are you even spending your time on? I can't even remember the last major non-champion/balance update.
And people wonder why they don't respond to there threads.
1Maza1 votesAnd people wonder why they don't respond to there threads.
There are things much more important than champions and numbers. Like fixing Ranked, per se.
Silents4292 votesYou deeply misunderstood my comment.
LionelLeon2 votesMaybe if all the threads weren't about players complaining they would respond more, and tell me a MOBA that makes you surrender early cause a teammate left. Heroes of the storm makes the player into a bot, which is worse.
Robert Smith1 votesMake the AI better then. Or harder to kill (Rammus bot +300 armor and MR, okay maybe not that much (
xGarzilla1 votesYour team can always just tell the other team to push one lane and not contest it. Quicker loss/win.
deadlyotaku1161 votesand then u put up with this until it drags u down to b5 then u go to forums to vent and everyone says u just suck, its not that its 4vs5 and u have 2 people goin 0-0-30. no, people expect you to carry that ****
Godaren2 votesYour team can always just tell the other team to push one lane and not contest it. Quicker loss/win.
except a lot of teams would rather farm kills if anyone in the game is still trying
xGarzilla1 votesOh obviously. They want to pad their score to feel good even if it is a 5v4(3).
I see no pride in humiliating people on a free win. Those that do, do it for their own "pride".
disregardable1 votesPresumably because it's not worth the effort to recreate Dota's whatever AFK system.
Canechurch1 votesI prefer this. I've had plenty of games where someone was afk for the first 10-15 minutes but the lanes still did well and someone reconnected and we won. We would have lost those games if the FF vote had been available at 10 minutes.
KarKzz1 votesLeague has 25+ languages + all the work needed to create this answer for linux and mac systems. Also there might be foreign laws that forbid this answer... Riot's support team also need extra training to answer questions related to this answer...
Nah , seriously, replay system was annonced about two years ago. How long will they need to do find a solution to that problem ?
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3125519&page=1#post34654107
Aboylova921 votesI feel like Riot is EXTREMELY slow on accomplishing a lot of things. Is this a free game? Sure so I guess you could argue that it doesn't owe us anything, but when it comes to E-sports, it seems to get their full attention. Whether it's the lack of a solution from 4v5's, the lack of East Coast servers (I mean there's been calls for it since at least 2012 and going on 4 years later still nothing), actual solutions to trolls and afks, replay systems, I mean the list goes on for a while.
I do enjoy the game, but the support quite often is just plain bad. And it's not like they're not bringing in a ton of money to fix these issues.
Shadow Puppet1 votesIf you did have the ability to surrender early you might run into some players who have the mentality that feeders should leave so that everyone can avoid playing the next ten minutes. Or the occasional "Here I'm going to afk so we don't have to put up with this". a summoner has disconnected
It might be sorta rare but I bet it will happen. Providing possible incentives to leave the game is risky. This is also why we definitely should not have loss prevented games when teams are uneven.
Ultîma1 votesIt baffles me that Heroes of the Storm, a newcomer in the MOBA genre, already has more measures in place to deal with leavers than LoL after 5 years on the market.
Also...
It's been five fucking seasons and you still haven't done anything about this. What are you even spending your time on? I can't even remember the last major non-champion/balance update.
The AP item overhaul?
Silverthane1 votesWould love to hear an answer to this besides soon tm
LastTwinkie1 votesThis may not relate entirely of what this topic is about but i'm kinda fed up with the bronze and silver players coming into low level games. I'm only lvl 22 and my team had to deal with a bronze 2. He was the entirety of the enemy team. Why are they even allowed into our games? Ranked people should be banned from entering un-ranked member's games.
SlampieceHawke1 votesIf there is a ranked on one team, then there is usually a ranked on the other as well... most of the time lol. And that only happens when newcomers partner up with their experienced friends.
LastTwinkie1 votesWell I can understand that, but I still think there should be a rank cap in the match ups.
slippykitten1 votesThey can't explain, nor will they attempt to try. They saw this post and didn't respond intentionally. But half the art posts have reds on them, because they love communicating with their customers! They are pretentious and two faced, end of story.
