the riot special

Critmaster Garen·Oct 15, 2018·60 votes·15,530 views

get to 100 lp, barely miss promos. get a bunch of absolute inbred inters for teammates for the next 15 games.

if this happens once in a while, its one thing, but its happening so often that there is a clear pattern. i know this isnt just me personally, or the countless people who complain on the boards about this. you can follow pretty much any professional streamer whos trying to climb on his account, and its the same pattern over and over.

smooth games and win streaks interrupted by 1 loss followed by a massive amount of terrible games.

what is wrong with this game?

20 Comments

AetherArisingOct 15, 20189 votes

Yeeeerp

Almost every game is carryable and winnable, doesnt mean a bunch of toddlers wont drag themselves on your heels kicking and screaming

The pattern is def. there, but at least I’m mostly over the first roadbump of it. Keep up the efforts my man

Velzard of KozOct 15, 20187 votes

I wouldn't mind the forced 50% winrate through MMR balancing If the whole idea behind promo didn't expect several wins without losing streaks from high LP through the promos. It's rather contraproductive.

Kledy McKledFaceOct 16, 20187 votes

The point he's trying to explain (the riot bullshit special) is that you know you're a gold III player from your skills//previous seasons. At the start of every win streaks, you played with and against gold V to gold I players. But then, you reach promos and get matched with silver I and gold V players against 3 plat V and plat IV player with mid-gold ones. The problem is : you're silver II... How is that even fair. you know you're supposed to be gold II at least, but Riot's algorithm keeps you silver II for the ''sakes of the 50% winrate''. I've brought 5 accounts to gold III this year, one to plat I, but there was one account in particular where this pattern was the worst of all. For real, took me then entire year (since february) just to get to silver I, then I reached gold V in 1 promo... C'mon. That's why I don't do ranked anymore. The free shitty skin isn't worth the work anymore. Riot isn't worth my respect anymore and I'm sure tons of people think the same.

CaveslothOct 16, 20182 votes

Exactly, its designed to take as LONG as possible for you to get to rank you actually deserve so you'll play ranked the whole damn season so the servers won't be empty. For those of us who aren't masochists or have a life, its beyond frustrating, its downright infuriating. Your MMR knows pretty accurately where you should be within 10-20 maybe 30 tops. So why does it take hundreds of games to get there? To waste your fucking time that's why.

LeetriOct 16, 20182 votes

It could also be that the game changed enough so whatever got you to Gold 3 doesn't work anymore this season. If you only play bruisers and then one season bruisers are garbage it's no wonder if you end up lower than you think you deserve. Or maybe you're just not as good as you used to be, skills can drop off with time. Also, you fundamentally misunderstand the "forced 50% win rate" thing. When 2 teams are matched, before champion select, you both have 50% chance to win that game. But depending on how you draft, act and play that will shift. "Forced 50% win rate" doesn't mean the game forces you to have a 50% win rate, otherwise no one would climb. It means that both teams have an equal chance to win before it starts, AKA a fair game. But if you draft like shit and your team flips out and trolls in champ select it might be a 20/80 chance to win for you once you're in-game. But Riot can't predict how people will ban or how they will act, so there's nothing they can do there.

jilllovesmeOct 15, 20186 votes

Riot's algorithm (as is any for any major game) is proprietary and a trade secret. You're not going to get details.

You cannot take win/loss streaks as a means to determine your MMR, nor can you use your rank to determine MMR. MMR is completely separate from rank.

First of all, I'm far from being the only one who's noticed this, as the League boards are littered with other people who've brought up the same issue and how they've noticed it affecting them. Regardless of this being a "trade secret," you should be matching people up of equal skill and rank - not a gold 4 with a bunch of people hovering around silver 3. What's the point of a ranking system if I'm not playing with people of equal skill and rank, or even of the same division? Why is it that for ten games I'll be put in matches with people with a good recent match history and then all of a sudden after having gained a substantial amount of LP, I - AND MANY OTHERS - are then placed into consecutive matches with people with terrible match histories of majority losses/feeds/AFKs; why should people who are on winning streaks then be matched up all of a sudden - and consistently - with people who are on losing streaks, almost guaranteeing failure for the individual on a win streak? I'm sure that you guys are doing this, just as numerous other games like Overwatch do as well, just to push a 50% win/loss ratio. As I've said, I'm far from being the only one who's noticed or been affected by this.

Are you denying that your algorithm is designed to try as hard as it can to ensure that the majority of people end up hovering around a 50% ratio? An algorithm that is commonly used in other arena/moba games is not a secret when countless others can blatantly see what's going on.

Quiet DudeOct 15, 20183 votes

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what is wrong with humanity?

FIFY

DragonSheaOct 17, 20181 votes

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FIFY

HAHAHA XD!

SaiannaOct 15, 20183 votes

For everyone who starts seeing the "obvious pattern" there's a bunch of naysayers who'd disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

jilllovesmeOct 15, 20182 votes

This is a conversation i had with a rioter 3 months ago, at the top is him replying to my original post regarding this issue an below is me laying out what i have been dealing with.

saltranOct 16, 20182 votes

Man, I'm swimming on salt reading OP

The ÖutcastOct 16, 20182 votes

I've gotten up to promos several times and a few times I've gotten through only to get the riot special right after. Apparently they took away the 1 free win from having achieved that tier before, which I think is bullshit

LordGeovanniOct 16, 20182 votes

This is a community problem as much as a riot problem. Games need to be personally reviewed so people who INT as well as those who are effectively afk and only farm without ever pushing anything get punished.

LightningShadoOct 16, 20181 votes

Saving...

RouxfulOct 16, 20181 votes

We can only hope that in the new ranked system, this will magically fix itself

Critmaster GarenOct 16, 20185 votes

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We can only hope that in the new ranked system, this will magically fix itself

the rank system and the matchmaking system are two different things. dont expect anything to change.

im also pretty sure riot engineers this on purpose (not directly, but those win and loss streaks are a side effect of the forced 50% winrate matchmaking), because they want to keep people interested and playing over the course of the entire season, and not cap out on their rank after 2 weeks of playing and then lose interest, as they only slowly improve from there as they improve their play. so riot artificially slows down the climb itself to make it take several month instead of weeks.

rtbf36088737Oct 16, 20181 votes

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the rank system and the matchmaking system are two different things. dont expect anything to change.

The only thing that may change for the better is that currently I've seen the team MMR being equal.. but their jg Khazix is plat 1 and mine Twitch is silver 2. Or bot lane being two golds vs one unranked and one bronze.. but team MMR matches.

If all of the roles are matched up with someone of equal rank/ skill it may reduce the number of complete roflstomps where you're left wondering if your 3-24 bot lane are bots or not.

Fnatic ComeShotOct 16, 20181 votes

Thats the way how Rito keeps stable ±50% winrate. Not sure what is it for but it's really stupid

ozzzz666Oct 16, 20181 votes

Definitely a pattern. It is SO frustrating. All my Gold and Silver friends say I should be right there with them, but I just don't play hard carry champs well, and there is NO teamplay in my elo. But yeah, I get the streaks constantly. Streak to B2, and then every lane loses in 10 games in a row with total hardstomps that I simply cannot stop from the Jungle. I try, and end up behind from helping too much, or I try to farm and get big and they just feed and feed.

PowerSlave993Oct 16, 20181 votes

Same thing happened to me several times. I keep steady 86% win rate with my old Irelia. Winning every games because I was a smurf. THEN, after reaching 1 more tier up division > I got matched with constant inters, afk's and people who were toxic as hell. My winrate dropped to 62% and less. I just couldn't win any games with those people.

System is rigged as fuck and they made this so that you spend a lot more time playing the game if you want to rank up. Not going fast.