When all the braindead do everything they do. If not better.
Why play riven, when you can play urgot and win every lane in existence by default.
Why play kayn when you can play kha zix and do everything he does better.
Why play ryze when you can play (Insert assassin here)
Why play thresh and have to think when you can play Pyke and auto win
Why play varus and need skillshots when you can play Lucien and auto win.
Dynikus5 votesbecause this is a video game, where the primary objective is to have fun. You're also wrong about a lot of things here, as well as making some very, very weird comparisons.
The thigh guy1 votesbecause this is a video game, where the primary objective is to have fun. You're also wrong about a lot of things here, as well as making some very, very weird comparisons.
The comparisons were all lane matchups.
As for the primary objective is to have fun, then all champions should be fun if you enjoy them, but being auto stomped because someone picks a braindead who happens to be flavor of the month isn’t fun.
Ryanb4152 votesThe game is designed for a variety of people with different preferences and playstyles. If you play a mechanically adept champion, and you pull off a sick outplay, (to me) it feels incredibly satisfying.
Some people prefer the champions with lower skill caps and that's okay. Some people like to see what they're mechanically capable of.
League is a team game with people from all over, different lifestyles, mindsets, playstyles. Everyone's different.
I'm an ADC main, and I love playing kalista/draven. After a long day though, I could really get behind on just playing Caitlyn. I'm mechanically clumsy fairly often, but when I'm at the top of my game, I can beat out the "easy" champs. I like to see what I can do.
The Ecdysiast2 votesWhy play League of Legends when you can twiddle your thumbs?
Jamaree1 votesWhen those champions were meta and bullied the others on-, meph fuck it, don't care anymore.
ı Sona ı1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-17T04:22:10.353+0000)
When all the braindead do everything they do. If not better.
Why play riven, when you can play urgot and win every lane in existence by default.
Why play kayn when you can play kha zix and do everything he does better.
Why play ryze when you can play (Insert assassin here)
Why play thresh and have to think when you can play Pyke and auto win
Why play varus and need skillshots when you can play Lucien and auto win.
Because when you get the skill to use these champions to their best they out perform these other champions. But you'll have to get the skill first.
[sona-playing]
Beerstein1 votesDid...did someone just complain about Mr. Crabgot himself? If he's so strong and no skill why have I never seen anyone pick him? and...and now Riven is high skillcap?
Kai Guy1 votes
Play her if You can animation cancel her ability's well +know how to use them for gross mobility. Play Urgot if you want to hit W and run in a circle.
Play Kayne because you want to decided mid game if your comp needs a front line or Burst assassin. Play kah because your team needed a burst assassin.
Play Ryze because point and click roots FK some champions. Because you trust teammates to use your R properly. Play assassins because your good with their kit.
Play thresh because he can cancle movement commands mid action with Flay. Because his Q comes out faster. And because Latern opens ganks and saves that can not be accomplished with pykes kit.
Play pyke if your low elo and don't trust adc and mid.
Play varus because you need some damage vs front line, Cc, and don't trust your support or jungle.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-01-17T09:22:56.482+0000)
Play Kayne because you want to decided mid game if your comp needs a front line or Burst assassin. Play kah because your team needed a burst assassin.
Play Ryze because point and click roots FK some champions. Because you trust teammates to use your R properly. Play assassins because your good with their kit.
Play thresh because he can cancle movement commands mid action with Flay. Because his Q comes out faster. And because Latern opens ganks and saves that can not be accomplished with pykes kit.
Play pyke if your low elo and don't trust adc and mid.
Play varus because you need some damage vs front line, Cc, and don't trust your support or jungle.
You pick urgot into a melee lane and auto win. As for riven, yeah, you have to know ALOT about the champion to be even remotely good. The issue is it’s not rewarding at all. Why learn her when you can pick urgot and hard stomp 80% of the top laners?
Kha does what blue kayn does exclusively better. Red kayn wasn’t part of my argument. My bad.
Ryze has one of the highest skill caps in the game. Hence why riot has entirely given up on him and left him in the shitter. There is litteraly no reason to pick ryze when you can grab talon and do his aoe burst 88 time easier.
Thresh vs Pyke isn’t even an argument. Pyke is almost entirely better than him in every way. Thresh lacks one key component that Pyke doesn’t and it shows. It shows bad. A 30% true damage execute. On equal footing a team with a good Pyke and a team with a good thresh. The Pyke wins 99/100
Varus is strictly worse than Lucien. Lucien shreds tanks better, kills squishies better, has the mobility advantage, auto wins most lanes, take turrets better, he even does stuff like dragon and baron easier. I hate to tell you, but varus having a easily dodged, root that can, but never actually will spread does not equalize this advantage.
Kai Guy1 votesRiv rewards Micro better then Urgot. If you cant hit her best case bummer, but if your good the reward is a massive decrease in bad matchups' because her mobility and CC. Riv scales into late game better then urgot. Once his passive cap is at what, level 13? Riv as a champ is much easier to snowball good lanes and can deal with 2v1 better then urgot. You also don't pick one or the other for the same reasons. their kits are not exactly synonymous in function.
Ryze has better utility and CC then talon. There are currently stronger options then Ryze. Your not gonna see that R be breaking the game outside of a team that works well. People still struggle with 
abilitys. Its the burden of knowlage on teammates that destroys ryze low elo viability. Plus the fact folks wont use his spell combos well.
Thresh is much better then pyke for playing from behind or dealing with jungle camp. Sorry but nothing in pykes kit compairs to Thresh W. Flay also interrupts far more reliably then Pyke E. Thresh is hands down better at peel then Pyke. Pyke is good at going aggressive, Pkyes probably a better pick for being highly aggro. But thresh can make a lot of plays that are completely impossible to imitate with pyke.
The Thresh vs pyke # you gave? Id put money on thresh most the time. he enables teammates better.
Lucians overa all more viable. Mostly because Lucian has a better allrounder kit. I feel Varus is pretty niech currently, he needs a complimentary team comp. With a good comp thou, his ability to throw out aoe 45% Max hp damage in a rotation is brutal. His R is better as disengage or follow up cc due to its range and projectile speed.
All in all I can find reasons to play a champion you listed over the counter parts your listing.
Dr Dog1 votesstrong rn =/= braindead, lucian and kha zix are both high skill cap champions
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-01-17T10:35:33.063+0000)
strong rn =/= braindead, lucian and kha zix are both high skill cap champions
I’ve played both of these champions. Neither is all that difficult. They have one mechanic you need to understand and that’s it. Lucien is auto weaving, kha is stealth juggling duskblade. Neither of which is really difficult.
Dr Dog1 votesnever said they were hard to play hell few champions are hard to play, they have high skill caps especially when your higher up on them and people arent as stupid
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T14:38:48.151+0000)
never said they were hard to play hell few champions are hard to play, they have high skill caps especially when your higher up on them and people arent as stupid
They have one mechanic each that isn’t universal. That’s not a high skillcap. Ability sequencing is not a high skill cap, neither is auto attack timing with kha.
Dr Dog3 votesisolation and difficulty in teamfights is what makes kha'zixs skill cap high along with using your ult to negate dmg and re-position in unexpected ways, lucians skill cap comes from his low 500 range and relying on using your e to dodge spells and get rid of cc like slows all while juggling your spells and autos to maximize your e and passive cd interaction, they arent black and white like you paint them to be
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T17:04:21.063+0000)
isolation and difficulty in teamfights is what makes kha'zixs skill cap high along with using your ult to negate dmg and re-position in unexpected ways, lucians skill cap comes from his low 500 range and relying on using your e to dodge spells and get rid of cc like slows all while juggling your spells and autos to maximize your e and passive cd interaction, they arent black and white like you paint them to be
Everything you just said is universal to all champions. Positioning is universal as is spell rotations and using any mobility corrects.
Dr Dog2 votesthe isolation mechanic is not universal and i forgot to mention kha zix ability upgrading is also situational and a part of his skill cap, kha zixs ult use to re-position multiple times in the middle of a fight and take out targets is very unique to him as a squishy assassin, and as for Lucian there is so much ability juggling, auto mixing and animation canceling that goes into his kit when he isnt a overbuffed mess like he is rn on top of having to get closer to a fight than any other adc to do dmg and put himself in harms way to do anything having to out skill the enemy to get full use of his dmg giving him a high risk high reward skirmisher playstyle thats pretty unique to him as an adc save for vayne
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T18:25:12.981+0000)
the isolation mechanic is not universal and i forgot to mention kha zix ability upgrading is also situational and a part of his skill cap, kha zixs ult use to re-position multiple times in the middle of a fight and take out targets is very unique to him as a squishy assassin, and as for Lucian there is so much ability juggling, auto mixing and animation canceling that goes into his kit when he isnt a overbuffed mess like he is rn on top of having to get closer to a fight than any other adc to do dmg and put himself in harms way to do anything having to out skill the enemy to get full use of his dmg giving him a high risk high reward skirmisher playstyle thats pretty unique to him as an adc save for vayne
Isolation would be an argument if it wasn’t telegraphed to an insane amount. As for his stealth, that makes him easier. Not harder.
Lucien has one animation to be canceled.
I could use your argument to say lissandra is a high skill cap champion because you actually have to use 5 Abilities not just 4. When we both know that’s a lie.
Dr Dog1 votestheres just no reason with you really, go actually play the champs and you'll see [katarina-love]
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=000700000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T18:42:16.837+0000)
theres just no reason with you really, go actually play the champs and you'll see [katarina-love]
Thing is. I have played the champs. And they are laughably easy. Like. 2 games and they are fully understood.
Dr Dog1 voteslol alright see you with me in gold soon then?
King Lego1 votesAh Urgot may be strong in lane but it doesn't really mean auto-win the game itself.
Win lane =/= win game
He's not much of a 1v9 carry by any means really. Take that from someone who mains Urgot as secondary role. [zombie-brand-clap]
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-01-17T19:15:25.376+0000)
Ah Urgot may be strong in lane but it doesn't really mean auto-win the game itself.
Win lane =/= win game
He's not much of a 1v9 carry by any means really. Take that from someone who mains Urgot as secondary role. [zombie-brand-clap]
Yeah he doesn’t auto win the game, but he does auto win the lane. Which means whoever you pick into him doesn’t matter. Your carry potential is gone. And it’s not like you can just out play him. His shield and execute makes it near impossible to trade with him as melee.
Pretty sure the only lane he consistently losses into is jayce. Entirely due to range advantage and poke advantage.
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z3fVnwqm,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-01-17T19:19:44.574+0000)
Yeah he doesn’t auto win the game, but he does auto win the lane. Which means whoever you pick into him doesn’t matter. Your carry potential is gone. And it’s not like you can just out play him. His shield and execute makes it near impossible to trade with him as melee.
Pretty sure the only lane he consistently losses into is jayce. Entirely due to range advantage and poke advantage.
No. The early game is where melees will have hell. Early game and mid game is where Urgot is strong, late game however, it depends. Can be useless or fine. It all goes on items really.
Jayce isn't much of a counter to Urgot. They both go 50/50. Jax counters Urgot well, but to me that's 50/50. Tryndamere hard counters Urgot. Teemo is also a fine counter. Nasus mostly in the late game if he has enough stacks and tankiness. Gnar can do well. Illaoi can do well. Camille is 50/50. Yasuo with his windwall is a good counter.
Case in point? Not all melees suffer against Urgot. Urgot's range isn't that big either and when it comes to CS-ing, he is forced to sacrifice a shotgun passive to be able to farm, making him vulnerable and the cooldown are long in the early game.
His ulti depends on the enemy to be low enough, QSS and Guardian Angel are a good counter, even Zhonya, and his W may shield him but its damage is low hence why the shotgun passive is needed to still be hurting.