Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Diving Fighter rework....
But I feel like Vanguards/tanks need it more. Tanks right now are really fucking well rounded midgame, but are not strong at all later on. I just hope Riot'll fix their base damage, and #MakeTanksTankyAgain! later in the game.
Just a few words I wanted to get off my chest :P
RiotReav351 votesHmm lots of good points for Tanks vs Divers. One additional thing to consider is how unhealthy tank itemization is right now, or more specifically how tanks (and non-tanks) interact with tank items.
While I agree on a Champion level Divers need a update the most, I think on a systemic level tanks need it the most. Choices, choices....
Raxistaicho2 votesA bit off topic, but is there any news on when Irelia might get her rework? :D
RiotReav316 votesNot sure. We haven't started anything yet but she's fairly high on our priority list. We're focused on Warwick and Galio for now :)
Wind Whistler2 votesPlease don't remove Warwick or Galio from the game like you've done with Yorick, Sion, and Poppy : ( Could you do what you did with Ryze?
Raxistaicho35 votesYorick maaaaaaaaaaaaaaay have missed the mark (juggernauts can be hit or miss), but Sion and Poppy are unquestionable better than they used to be.
Wind Whistler4 votesYorick maaaaaaaaaaaaaaay have missed the mark (juggernauts can be hit or miss), but Sion and Poppy are unquestionable better than they used to be.
I have no qualms with the current Sion. I think he's fine. However, he's NOTHING like Old Sion. That's why, whenever people talk about him, they say "Old Sion". He's pretty much considered a different champion, to be honest. Same with Yorick. Poppy? Not so much, I guess. Also, I wouldn't exactly call Poppy balanced. She caused quite a ruckus when she first came out, then they nerfed her "too hard", apparently. Honestly, my biggest problem is her fucking voiceover. It makes me want to bite a small kitten in half.
As for Yorick, yeah, he REALLY doesn't seem like Yorick. Like, he doesn't even look like him.
Sukishoo4 votesHer voice is so great though! It's clearly done by the same Voice Actress that did the new Trist.
Overall the champions may not be much of what they once were, but that's what makes them so much more. They actually have a fully fleshed out play style now, where as before they had various pieces put together that just made you go "what the hell is this mess?!"
Poppy was clearly a tank assassin, when she was never meant to be that XD
WarlockLaw2 votesMy qualms with the voice-over is it destroyed her old personality for a shitty ditsy moron. I may love her kit, but I hate playing her because of the VO.
Sukishoo3 votesHer old voice was dull and boring. She didn't have any personality in the lines that were said. The new one makes her much more lively.
WarlockLaw2 votesHer old voice lines made her out to be a hardened war veteran type character, her new voice lines make her out to be an airhead. I'd rather have no voice lines than an airhead charging into fights, so her new voice over is entirely cringey. And I can hardly call a ditsy airhead 'lively'
Sukishoo5 votesShe's far from a ditsy airhead. She's a strong kind hearted warrior that's looking for her hero.
Chatillon3 votesHow dare you sass my babies!
They were beautiful even though they were jank!
I miss spook face + pop combo
i miss full as crit 100 lifesteal sion
I miss unkillable lategame assassin poppy
I obviously miss two very cancer things lol
Papa Andrei9 votesYorick is love now, he feels like a true Ghoul commander, If you think bout it logically, ghouls don't really have a mind so they are hard to control, like they are now, c: i love new Yorick, though i do miss just blocking skillshots all the time xD
Angry Monster36 votesIf tank itemization is considered a problem that is effecting other classes you should do tanks. IF you do divers you are going to have to re-tune them again after the tank pass anyways.
Jeddy0173 votesYeah, most Divers builds at least one or two tank items anyway.
Blue Moon Wolf3 votesThat's because there are really no items that are for Divers specifically. If it's not an item like 
that Juggernauts use, it's 
that is used on a lot of skirmishers as well.
It's pretty much just like how Assassins use items that they weren't supposed to cause they work better, except there isn't a clear cut set of items that target divers specifically, so you can pretty much get away with whatever works. If Divers were to get updated, they would likely get items made for them so they wouldn't need to build tank items anymore.
ToxycBanana3 votes
Kappa please don't hurt me
Karakot4 votesPlease I just want aatrox to be loved
Melledoneus2 votesHas the team talked about considering making tank itemization more favorable for actual tanks than bruisers? For example, items like Randuin's, Banshee's, and Righteous Glory would build upon stats that tanks have while providing other stats. However, if for example an assassin builds Randuin's they won't get as much out of it. Perhaps this could be your chance to kill tank assassins once and for all?
Saianna3 votesis how unhealthy tank itemization is right now, or more specifically how tanks (and non-tanks) interact with tank items.
What about tank items that are simply bad, like for example 
?
I'm not saying it should straight out kill anyone who attacks a tank, but it doesn't even work as Life Steal reducer anymore.
Critkeeper2 votesHmm lots of good points for Tanks vs Divers. One additional thing to consider is how unhealthy tank itemization is right now, or more specifically how tanks (and non-tanks) interact with tank items.
While I agree on a Champion level Divers need a update the most, I think on a systemic level tanks need it the most. Choices, choices....
Skirmishers don't even have their own itemization, they just piggy back on marksmen itemization.
So strictly speaking, I'd think that skirmishers need it more because as it stands the item system doesn't even know they exist.
Malicious Metal19 votesThey should all be differentiated like the assassins were. Strategic diversity!
Marshbouy13 votesDisagree that they should be before divers. All divers do almost the exact same thing but with very little differences and are only picked based on who has the best numbers.
Ralanr6 votesThat's the same with Vanguards.
Marshbouy6 votesAnd vanguards deserve it more how? Because you say so?
Ralanr11 votesBecause I'm a biased tank main. Of course I want tanks next. I wanted them instead of assassins.
Plus as I said earlier, tanks don't see pro play outside of support unless their damage is stupid. I feel some divers see more pro play.
Marshbouy3 votesWell I'm an unbiased tank main and i think divers should get the update.
I wanted them instead of assassins
vanguards vs divers is debatable vanguards vs assassins was a no brainer. Assassins had terrible game health and im hoping that this update will fix it.
Are you telling me that the support class is only being picked in support? weird.
Ralanr2 votesI'm saying the only tanks that are usually played are support tanks.
Marshbouy1 votesTank, by definition are a more support focused class
tanks redirect enemy attacks or attention toward themselves in order to protect other characters or units
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_(gaming)
What you just said was a worthless statement.
Ralanr6 votesWell maybe I'd like some love for tanks that are played top or jg instead of in the bot lane?
I know tanks are a support class. I just don't like seeing them only in bot.
Marshbouy2 votesI just don't like seeing them only in bot.
I agree with you, i just don't see any efficient way of forcing them out of bot unless you gut
ETC.
Or overbuff them.
Ralanr2 votesThat's why I'd like to see them updated. Because there are a lot of tanks that were primarily designed for top that I do not want to be balanced as a support because the meta shifts them there.
recommended item list has 
for christ sake.
Marshbouy2 votesthey are all some are being balanced around being a support now.
What's the issue again?
Ralanr7 votesthey are all being balanced around being a support now. What's the issue again?
I do not want 
to be balanced around support. Or 
, or 
. That is the issue.
Glory ln Death3 votes... I want Sion to still be a freaking awesome support, though...
Ralanr3 votesIt should be a niche role at best and not be a target for his balance.
Troll for Trump2 votes. Assassins had terrible game health
Why?
Their the only way to kill carries from carrying; an anti-carry of sorts.
You would only hate them if you played a squishy carry.
Marshbouy5 votesAn assassins job basically became "you need to delete X in under Y" and whoever could do that the best was the best assassin at the time.
Kingdom Corn16 votesLmao I love all the tank mains they are the opposite of assassin mains. All assassin mains are like "If you touch my main riot I will fucking kill you" Tank mains are like "Please rework my champion"
Ralanr10 votesTrust me, it'll be the reverse when it happens.
Big Lincoln3 votesmake 
do more damage pls
Ahristocats16 voteson the opposite, they should nerf her damage, and buff her utility/tankiness.
Big Lincoln2 votesfk off no
she already has a permaslow knockup and one of the best cc ults
lose some of the cc gime more dmg
Sahn Uzal12 votesIt's not a tank's job to deal damage. You want a Diving Fighter.
Aptest4 votesat the end of the day, if a character does not deal damage, any character that does deal damage just does a B-line towards them every time they appear and has a free kill on them.
a sejuani with no damage is going to 100% die, albeight slowly, every time she meets an enemy lane champion or the enemy jungler if it's a damage dealer. and the opposing jungler, knowing this, will live in her jungle and take everything.
characters with no kill threat are unplayable or are dedicated supports.
Ahristocats3 votesshe doesn't have a permaslow, and permaslow isn't even that good anymore except if you want to hard counter people she has a knockup? so does gragas the best cc ulti, hue no, it's good, but no the best cc ulti by far.
the problem is that sejuani only has cc's as utility, nothing else, she doesn't have debuffs or some shit like other tanks (malphite as reduction for instance).
meaning that you only pick her if her numbers are good.
Big Lincoln3 votesher niche as a tank is constant slows and higher than average damage, with tradeoff being lack of a shield or sustain and a weaker than average early game
the problem is that sejuani only has cc's as utility, nothing else, she doesn't have debuffs or some shit like other tanks (malphite as reduction for instance).
and it should stay that way
Ralanr3 votesSion's tank niche is higher than average damage.
