Can we stop pretending that Shaco is balanced?

Cloud273·Jul 2, 2015·2 votes·532 views

His stealth is on an extremely short cooldown, and he's able to remain stealthed for fairly long (3.5 seconds if I'm not mistaken), so it's very easy for him to get his combo off. And early game, people don't have a lot of gold for pink wards, so he snowballs very hard. And he has a lot of burst that he is able to spam over and over again. And he has hard CC that is also stealthed. So please, gut this clown. He is the most oppressive jungler in this game by far, and there aren't a lot of ways for people to deal with him.

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Lord DusteonJul 2, 20152 votes

I absolutely despise Shaco; he makes jungling extremely un fun.

He doesn't deserve to get gutted though, as his early game is ALL he has; his boxes are useless unless AP midgame or lategame because they die instantly and have a pretty long delay before stealthing and being able to attack + CC, and even with full damage the best he can hope for is to kill a priority champion before instantly dying from no quick escapes. His early game is amazing, but his mid game is utterly shit and his lategame is meh at best.

Cloud273Jul 2, 20151 votes

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I absolutely despise Shaco; he makes jungling extremely un fun.

He doesn't deserve to get gutted though, as his early game is ALL he has; his boxes are useless unless AP midgame or lategame because they die instantly and have a pretty long delay before stealthing and being able to attack + CC, and even with full damage the best he can hope for is to kill a priority champion before instantly dying from no quick escapes. His early game is amazing, but his mid game is utterly shit and his lategame is meh at best.

Yea, stealth objects that also fear are really useless. And WTF are you talking about no escape? He can just enter stealth right after a fight and run away. If the enemy team is still chasing him after his stealth wears off he can slow them with his shiv or run to one of his boxes. Shaco has plenty of ways to escape.

Lord DusteonJul 2, 20151 votes

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Yea, stealth objects that also fear are really useless. And WTF are you talking about no escape? He can just enter stealth right after a fight and run away. If the enemy team is still chasing him after his stealth wears off he can slow them with his shiv or run to one of his boxes. Shaco has plenty of ways to escape.

Yes, they kinda are since you either placed them in a bush as a ward and mildly annoyed someone that walked near them, placed them down in a fight to watch them instantly blow up due to their tiny health pool, or placed a nest of them because you are playing AP Shaco, and hope someone is stupid enough to walk into the nest.

Hey, WHY are you letting a Shaco get into your team to begin with? His Q has an 11 second cooldown that starts AFTER he exits stealth, and he is otherwise melee with no way to get in range except Q. If he Q'd into your team? Blow him up as HE HAS NO ESCAPES THEN. If he didn't Q into your team? Kill him because he has no way of getting to you to do his damage without Q. Your problem seems entirely reliant on an entire team not noticing the squishy assassin walking into the middle of them and stabbing people.

Darth Pixy MisaJul 2, 20151 votes

Shaco is so squishy that three hits from most champs, or getting hit by any cc will remove him from late game teamfights.

The best way to deal with shaco is to ward the blue buffs. Shaco is so mana dependent that he will show at these some time during the game. (notice how every ap build has a tear in the build)