WHY THE F*** DOES RYLAI'S NOT APPLY ON DAISYS AUTO ATTACKS

Moonfall Saber·Aug 5, 2017·42 votes·1,940 views

I mean Riot dumpstered anyway but this is bullshit because Tibbers can do this already.

47 Comments

MarshbouyAug 5, 201726 votes

~~dumpstered~~ returned him to a not outrageously OP state

FTFY

Zone of EndlessAug 5, 201713 votes

Tibber has sunfire cape aura around him that apply the slow.

Daisy's AA is not magic attack right?

Moonfall SaberAug 5, 20173 votes

Daisys knockup deals magic damage though

Zone of EndlessAug 5, 20174 votes

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Daisys knockup deals magic damage though

but if you get hit by it then you're already knocked up so unless the slow duration is longer than the knock up it wouldn't make a difference.

Even then if daisy AA was considered magic and applied the slow that is really OP and it wouldn't surprised me if that interaction would get removed.

LordGeovanniAug 5, 20171 votes

doubt daisy does physical damage

SH AzykanAug 5, 20178 votes

rylais doesnt care if it is magic or physical, only if it counts as a champions "spell" damage

LordGeovanniAug 5, 20172 votes

so daisy isnt a spell then?

SH AzykanAug 5, 20175 votes

Daisy counts as a Pet and does not apply spell effects with her autos The reason tibbers can apply Rylai's slow is because his damage aura DOES apply spell effects, but his basic attacks do not.

now my question is, why do malz voidlings apply rylais with their attacks?

masterdomloAug 5, 20174 votes

but mord's pets also apply rylai's slow

Spice POWAHAug 5, 20173 votes

For all we know it could be a bug. We're talking about Morde, after all.

I'm not even just meming. If other pets don't apply it, it actually could be a bug. I don't play champions with pets though, so i'm not sure.

Malicious MetalAug 6, 20171 votes

It's not a bug.

It has worked like that since his inception.

junglerboy16Aug 5, 20171 votes

Are you sure it's all of his ghosts or just dragon ghosts? Because Dragon's AAs are coded as spells before and after you kill and ghost it, but his normal pets shouldn't have the same treatment (They might though, I don't know, which is why I'm asking).

masterdomloAug 5, 20171 votes

not sure on all his ghost but 100% on drag and some champs do like brand i think(i dont rememberr who but some of the champs did slow)?

rtbf225618241Aug 5, 20171 votes

There's a reason why Morde is known as a bugged mess. I don't think his coding is a good comparison.

ParoeAug 5, 20173 votes

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Daisy counts as a Pet and does not apply spell effects with her autos The reason tibbers can apply Rylai's slow is because his damage aura DOES apply spell effects, but his basic attacks do not.

now my question is, why do malz voidlings apply rylais with their attacks?

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rylai%27s_Crystal_Scepter

"UNIQUE – ICY: Damaging abilities and pet attacks Slow icon slow affected units by 20% for 1 second"

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Champion_summoned_units Minions The following units are classified as "minions", which affects things such as valid targeting and tower priority. Their damage is credited to their owner.

When a minion attacks:

If the damage is based on the minion's AD, the damage is not considered to be ability damage and so will not trigger spell effects (e.g. spell vamp and Luden's Echo item.png Luden's Echo). If the damage is based on the minion's AP, the damage is considered to be ability damage and so will apply spell effects.

ParoeAug 5, 20172 votes

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rylais doesnt care if it is magic or physical, only if it counts as a champions "spell" damage

Pets also apply it. The reason daisy doesnt apply it is because, iirc, shes a monster and not a pet.

DunkinNoobsAug 5, 201711 votes

Doesn't Ivern have enough CC already without needing to permaslow you?

AwesomeGuyDjAug 5, 20175 votes

yes. Even if they did apply why would you be building rylais lmao.

Tails9016Aug 5, 20172 votes

Have you heard of our lord and savior full ap ~~Blitzcrank~~ Ivern?

DanjengAug 5, 20173 votes

That's why Ivern was nerfed so heavily. His ability to dish out sustained magic damage was too oppressive.

AimléssAug 5, 20177 votes

No, he was nerfed because he did everything a support wanted to do, but better cause he got gold so damn fast with his clear speed. His damage was definitely not the issue lol.

AwesomeGuyDjAug 5, 20172 votes

I dont even know what im reading. YOu know its a joke right? RIGHT?

MarshbouyAug 5, 20172 votes

it's a poor joke

AwesomeGuyDjAug 5, 20172 votes

Or maybe you cant understand sarcasm. He responded to someone saying "have you heard of our lord and savior ap ivern?" who said it as a joke, and he jokingly replied that he was nerfed because of his dmg.

EngelinAug 5, 20175 votes

Because it would 100% guarantee her knockup and that would be too cancerous.

V The Support VAug 5, 20171 votes

^^This.

Also, Daisy doesn't do dmg and Derping is not a spell. : )

OriyokiAug 5, 20174 votes

Tibbers has AOE DOT Burn that applies the Rylais.

What I find more BS (if it isn't fixed yet) is that if tibbers' AA kills a buff, the buff disappears and Annie wont receive it.

FairyfleurAug 5, 20171 votes

Wait, really? That should get fixed asap

Ivern and IreliaAug 5, 20173 votes

Her third hit does apply it. But its still not enough. Ivern really does need some compensation buffs.

ThefrostyvikingAug 5, 20173 votes

Ivern dumpstered?

You mean he's no longer outrageously OP like he was for like 7 patches in a row?Possibly longer because i have the memory of a goldfish?

May he stay in whatever corner Azir is in too.

LordGeovanniAug 5, 20171 votes

adc got a sheild so op always sheilder fault because it doesnt matter which adc or sheilder but always the sheildder fault

ThefrostyvikingAug 5, 20173 votes

If you think shields was all ivern did, then you, your lordship, have missed out on a lot.

LordGeovanniAug 5, 20171 votes

Is the only thing he does signifcantly that makes an impact when he was complained about ideally his power would be helping melees carries initiate and disruption but ranged damage was too good and didnt leave room for melee carries even with iverns help

ThefrostyvikingAug 5, 20171 votes

If his ability to shield ranged carries was the issue then lulu and janna would have been dumpstered ages ago, even sona possibly.

Issue was that Ivern did everything besides damage.

Disruption via CC, a lot of CC, tankiness to a degree, towerdiving with his R, shields for anyone needing and a way to engage.

As well as Zone control with his bushes.

I´ve lost count of the times i´ve seen a ivern rush to lvl 6 and then imidiately go botlane and have his daisy tank the tower while he and his botlane are getting free kills, and that works for toplane too a lot.

And countless pro players complained about iverns ability to just walk into their jungle and take big camps in like 4 seconds.

Starting whichever side the enemy jungler wasn't on and then immediately walking into enemy jungle and taking the red or blue while the opposing jungler was on their second camp was like the most common strategy ever for an ivern, and the only counter was to wait for him and try to stop him there, even if it meant hurting your pathing badly.

So in conclusion, he did CC, tankiness(albeit mainly with items+his barriers), towerdives, barriers for his team and map control aand some of the best early invades in the entire game, this is why Ivern was considered OP for ages, only now that everything got nerfed down is he finally manageable again.

The DeckownerAug 5, 20172 votes

correct me if I'm wrong but Daisy auto attack does physical damage and it is technically not an ability damage, and only ability damage applies rylais. For the same reason Shaco and LB clones' auto don't apply rylais.

LyingOnLineAug 5, 20172 votes

aw, poor ivern players

they have to actually show some skill

Moonfall SaberAug 5, 20171 votes

Theres no room for skill anymore. Hes just a useless second support

LyingOnLineAug 5, 20171 votes

So useless is the term for when you can't even win with him now that he's not overpowered as sin?

Sire HippingtonAug 5, 20172 votes

As a matter of fact, Tibber's AAs do not apply rylais. His aoe-dot however does. So it's not exactly doublestandart. Also, Dasy is already insanely poerfull and disruptive, giving her rylais would be outright opressive.

And Ivern is in noway gutted, he's still one of the highest winrate champs for experienced players.

ZaneShadowAug 5, 20171 votes

Frozen Malet= auto attacks

Rylize= Abilities.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 5, 20171 votes

Alright, so let's give tibbers a knockup and more HP then. It's so BS that Daisy Has that crap but tibbers doesn't

Moonfall SaberAug 5, 20171 votes

His knockup is so unreliable.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 5, 20173 votes

It's not? You are guaranteed to get a knockup on every third aa by daisy. if your enemy dashes/flashes away they decided to give that spell/ability to escape. And srsly, you can just use your whateverthefuck to get her into AA range anyway.

It's not a 100% guaranteed knockup, but your enemy will most likely waste cooldowns. Tibbers brings no CC by himself, instead he has a more offensive "kit".

Now let's say riot is retarded and does allow daisy to slow with rylai's on every aa: Daisy slows the enemy, they can't get away from her unless they have big selfdisplacement(dashes/blinks/etc) or some form of knockback/stun. Suddenly she can knock some of the more mobile champs on her own quite consistently, but oh what's that? The immobile champ got hit by daisy? Well i guess they're dead then. 0 counterplay. there's a reason people cry about FM Gnar.

TLDR: it's reliable just not a 100% guaranteed free knockup. If they did allow her to slow she'd be unstoppable for a bunch of champs.

IncognonymousAug 5, 20171 votes

Even if it didn't apply on autos, Daisy's entry animation does no damage despite having a satisfying sound to it. IMO, Rylai's interaction could easily be fixed by having her impact on cast, or even on Q when she's up, do some amount of magic damage to proc it.