@Riot, have you ever considered making an Adaptive-stat Item?

C9 Squeeky ··5 votes·1,887 views

Maybe you like an item's other stats, defensive properties, passive(s) or active but you don't like the main damage stat it gives. An item that you don't need to be hybrid to like. Is making an item that gave an adaptive stat something you'd consider healthy, balance-able, interesting?

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RiotRiot MapleNectar9 votes

We've thought about it (and even very very briefly tested a few). We're in no particular rush to getting an item with adaptive stats out in the wild though.

I think the prospect could be interesting in it's potential to open up different strats/build paths, but it's also not something I feel super strongly about.

InTheory2 votes

Hey Maple, did you see my post about boots rework? [sg-soraka]

RiotRiot MapleNectar3 votes

I didn't, can you link me? I have a load of the notification messages that things for a few days ago are often buried.

AnataBakka1 votes

same :( I know you have other stuff to do than check the boards, but i really hope you're going to see this https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EdclcKVn-riot-maple-whats-wrong-with-jhin-analysis-inside

Consistency is very important for me

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

On the topic of boots, what do you think of giving item 3009 a % multiplier stat, but possibly lower the base MS in exchange? A multiplier that scales with BONUS movespeed instead of total MS?

ZaneShadow1 votes

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We've thought about it (and even very very briefly tested a few). We're in no particular rush to getting an item with adaptive stats out in the wild though.

I think the prospect could be interesting in it's potential to open up different strats/build paths, but it's also not something I feel super strongly about.

Well, if you do, I'd love to see it done with Spell Thief's. I know quite a few people who try out Support Ashe or (twice now) a support Gnar. A couple others I've seen who'd love it to start AD but then change to AP adaptively have been Kennen, Kayle, and Teemo (curse that rodent, but i stomack him as a support). I mainly think of this as a way to possibly change up damage profiles for teams with AP bot laners, with that big change coming up.

Chermorg2 votes

I think Riot's philosophy is that it's better to have two items with the same/similar effects but different stats than it is to have one that is adaptive. For example, you have Rabadon's and Infinity Edge - both of them have the passive effect of bonus damage and provide a lot of base damage to begin with. If it was one item, however, they'd have to either forego the critical strike modifier or give that critical strike modifier to AP champions as well (which doesn't make sense but could be OP).

Is there an item in particular that you're thinking about?

Aptest2 votes

Hi Maple Nectar,

I would like to talk to you for a moment about hybrid champions and hybrid characters.

Hybrid characters are awesome. The concept is that they can build either from the AD or from the AP path. That is awesome because it allows them to change their play style through benefiting from the different actives and passives on items. For instance, to be able to use item 3157 or item 3139 to outplay opponents, or to use item 3147 for vision control or item 3152 for more mobility. The possibilities are really great.

There is a problem however, in the existance of hybrid items namely item 3146. Since this item gives both stat lines, it tends to under-perform for non hybrids if it is ok for hybrids or over-perform for everybody. I think suck items restrict the design space because if they are good they are the best, and so removes the really cool part about hybrid characters which is choice in builds paths.

How about you make item 3146's stats selectable in shop? make it not give both AP AND AD, make it give AP **OR ** AD based on user choice. This will balance things out.

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

Might want to reply directly to Maple, idk if saw this

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