> Shyvana > [REMINDER: Shyvana has several other kit changes currently testing on the PBE this cycle.] > > Furious Reckoning (Passive): > Renamed to "Furious Reckoning" from "Dragonborn". >
Rito plz, just don't.
Darius Strada13 votesGuys I'm talking about the name of the passice. It should stay "Dragonborn".
"Dovahkiin, Dovahkiin, naal ok zin los vahriin, Wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal! Ahrk fin norok paal graan fod nust hon zindro zaan, Dovahkiin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!!
Teridax681 votesDon't forget the pre-chorus:
Nuz aan sul, fent alok, fod fin vul dovah nok, Fen kos nahlot mahfaeraak ahrk ruz! Paaz Keizaal fen kos stin nol bein Alduin jot, Dovahkiin kos fin saviik do muz!
But yeah, Dragonborn is a much more appropriate name, and should stay. It doesn't entirely fit her new passive, but her new passive isn't really quite there yet.
Muddafragot1 votesDon't worry, you can pay Shyvana's RP cost again to change it back once they re-release her.
Zelorxon4 votesWhile you're discussing the name HERE WE FUCKING GO WITH ANOTHER STEALTH NERF.
Riot, i know your balance team is composed by the most unskilled players that ever graced the soil of this planet with their feet, but giving her an additional damage that an experienced player can have simply by doing dragon at the right time calling the support if it's really necessary in order to have the exact same stats that she had before the nerf it's yet another of your meaningless and excuseless bullshit, especially for a champion that is on the edge of being underpowered and it's played only for personal preference and playstyle by a restricted circle of players.
I was swallowing with some difficulties your previous changes but i would eventually accepted them because, after all, they had some reasoning behind that. (adding actual useful stuff and increasing the gap between a tanky or dps build)
This new passive is literally one of your most braindead bronze V employees that after an alcoholic night ran into the office yelling with a voicebreak "HAAAY GUISE, LISTEN UP I GOTTA THIS AAAAAWSUM IDEA THAT IS STRAIGHT FIRE... SPEAKING OF FIRE, WHY DON'T WE DELAY SHYVANA STATS JUST TO SEE HOW PISSED SHYVANA MAINS ARE GONNA BE? AHAHAHA THIS WILL BE CLUUUUUUTCH BOIIIIS AHAHAHA"
Sure, i can cheese dragons, but you gotta realize not everybody in league is silver, people will eventually come and stop that a good percentage of times, that's the ultimate bronze cheese, basically it's a passive that says "if the enemy team is dumb we gucci, otherwise open mid."
And don't try to sell me the bullshit "duh, with smite increased damage you're gonna secure it for sure", sure, so my team gets aced at 6 minutes BUT HEY, WE GOT A DRAGON :D #WORTH xd because i'm not buying it.
Zepper2 votesTL DR: I'm Silver 3 and toxic
Gixia6 votesWhile you're discussing the name HERE WE FUCKING GO WITH ANOTHER STEALTH NERF.
There's nothing stealth about it. They explicitly said that her passive is being deliberately nerfed to make up for the power they're adding to her ultimate.
RoflLizard1 votesHer ultimate gives her less then a ruby's worth of hp and the skills other then the E are not really changed.
Gixia1 votesHer ultimate gives her less then a ruby's worth of hp and the skills other then the E are not really changed.
I don't know who started this lie, but it's got to stop.
: 300 gold for 15 armor.
: 450 gold for 25 MR.
: 400 gold for 150 health.
Old Shyv ult rank 1: 10 armor/mr. New Shyv ult rank 1: 150 health.
It's not less than a Ruby's worth of hp, it IS a Ruby's worth of HP, and a Ruby's worth of HP is worth more than a Cloth Armor's worth of armor, which her old ult doesn't even give you. And even her old ult at rank 3 doesn't even give as much MR as the cheapest MR item in the game, let alone the rank one ult which gives a fraction of that.
Old Shyv ult rank 3: 20 armor/mr. New Shyv ult rank 3: 350 health.
At rank 3, old shyv gives you just barely more than a Cloth Armor's worth of stats. It's half of a 
. That's 400 gold, plus roughly another 400 for what is still not even a full Null Magic Mantle. By contrast, her new rank 3 ult gives just shy of a 
, which is nearly 1000 gold. It's more than 2 Ruby Crystals, so no matter what it's more than 800 gold. No matter how you look at it, her new ult's hp is giving you more gold's worth in stats than the resistances you're losing out on. Is that amount of hp a lot? No, it isn't, but neither was the resistances from her old ult. All you have to do is compare her resistances to the cheapest resistance items in the game and that becomes very obvious.
Furthermore, her ult is now uninterruptible, and people are SEVERELY underestimating how HUGE of a buff that is. The E changes are also huge because, depending on what stage of the game you're in, it can be anywhere from double to triple the amount of damage it was before. On top of all that, 
, an old favourite of her's that's been shitty for a while is getting buffed too, and so is 
, the latter of which isn't great but may finally become usable as a result.
So yes, her passive is getting nerfed, but she's also getting multiple buffs ranging from small to huge to compensate for it.
RoflLizard1 votesActive: Shyvana transforms into a dragon, gaining 150/250/350 Health and flying to target location. Enemies along her path take 150/250/350 (+0.7 ability power) magic damage and are knocked toward her target location.
Shit only 350. I forgot It was 150 not 400.
Well, damn that makes It even funnier. Specially, considering her passive requires a lot dragon kills to be effective. Still kind of crap tier. That and armor is kind of more useful then 350.
Gosh Darn4 votesThis new passive is such crap. It takes 7 to put her on the same level of AR/MR as with her old passive. The first reworked passive on PBE was much more interesting.
Forhonor3212 votesAgreed. First one was much more interesting, even if it was a bit RNG and insane in some areas. It at least looked like it was more rewarding for getting dragons rather than a necessity now to keep your bonuses properly scaling.
Gixia2 votesNo, it takes 3 dragons.
Gosh Darn1 votes3 to be on par with her human form, 7 for dragon form.
Gixia1 votesThat's why dragon form now gives bonus health, to replace the armor/mr that's being lost.
Gosh Darn1 votesShe needs flat buffs, not rebalancing.
Gixia1 votesWhen abilities are reworked, it's never ever a flat buff.
Gosh Darn1 votesI mean it needs to be a net positive. If they left her passive the way it was and kept all the other changes, I think it would put her in a very healthy spot. Nerfing her passive is just going to keep her weak.
Gixia1 votesI don't think that it will. I think that the buffs to her ultimate will outweight the nerf to her passive unless you lose every single dragon, and if you do lose every single dragon you probably were already going to lose the game anyways.
That said, whether it will be enough of a buff is another question entirely that I'm less sure of, but if nothing else I do believe she'll be stronger than she is currently.
ARequestOfDeath3 votesFUN FACT: SHE WAS RELEASED 10 DAYS FROM THE DAY SKYRIM WAS RELEASED, November 1 2011- November 11 2011
The Blue Rajah2 votesA someone who has mained Shyvana literally since I started the game, I really don't like these changes. It's literally just stats. It's the exact same problem as existed with her old passive. That being, it's boring as hell!
CrazyBear19871 votesso you want her to remain the same as she is now?
Or have the changes and give others a chance to play her?
The Blue Rajah1 votesI was referring exclusively to the new passive. You know. The topic of this thread.
I quite like the rest of the changes and have never said anything to the contrary.
Penguin Eclipse2 votesShyvana is my favorite 3v3 champion, where there are no dragons. So needless to say I hate the changes.
Her changes make it clear Riot still wants to ultimately make League of Legends a 1 map game.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YecITnqx,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-11-14T22:36:48.471+0000)
Shyvana is my favorite 3v3 champion, where there are no dragons. So needless to say I hate the changes.
Her changes make it clear Riot still wants to ultimately make League of Legends a 1 map game.
they can easily add a 3v3 objective to her new passive.
Penguin Eclipse2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YecITnqx,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-11-14T22:58:49.975+0000)
they can easily add a 3v3 objective to her new passive.
Possibly. But they probably won't. They didn't make an equivalent for Morde to my knowledge.
Enlegacy1 voteshttp://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/11/1110-pbe-update.html#notes The relevant piece is in the section titled notes.
Zepper2 votesI don't even play Shyvana and this tilts me.
Please don't make this the new Ra-ta-ta-ta
CrazyBear19873 votesRat-tat-tat etc was a rename, same Ult.
This is a whole different passive now. could be confusing.
Zepper1 votesOp isn't talking about the Passive change though, he's referring to the name. I think it should still stay as Dragonborn instead of being changed to Furious Reckoning.
CrazyBear19872 votesI know. but i'm okay with the changes.
it's still in PBE, this is the second iteration of her passive so far.
it could change....again, so i'm not going to get worked up yet, until it's officially live...like plants ;)
Forhonor3211 votesWhy are you fine with the changes? It's literally a worse version of her current passive. Granted you gain bonus damage to drags, including your smite, but now your bonus armor and MR only scale based on how many dragons you've gotten over the game, almost making that bonus damage to drags having a sole purpose for you just to get them because if you don't you're left with base stats that scale horribly into late game. Hell, I'd actually take her current passive over this new one right now any day. At least it properly scales.
Gixia2 votesIMO, they need to change it back to what it used to be. Bring back Fury of the Dragonborn!
Tuplamela2 votesI know this is unpopular opinion but I can actually get behind this change. As much as she is 'Dragonborn' the 'Furious Reckoning' refers to 
getting her revenge on the dragonkind that she so hates. Whereas Dragonborn gives me Skyrim vibes.
Khell DarkWolf1 votesall the Shyvana changes are terrible.
Azteryz1 votesmakes me wonder if theres gonna be a secret interaction with this and 
LOOL
and i personally think the more practical changes they have given are great like the dragon w and e as well as giving her ult bigger size/health it equalizes it comapred to the other ult transforms like nasus/renek/gnar
there are some other stuff that look a bit gimicky but it might turn out okay so im gonna hold off on giving an opinion on that till i see/play it
and yes plpease keep dragonbo- FUS RO DAH
WoonStruck1 votesWhat they threw on her now is better than what they had.
Making her a gimmick champ was not the answer, and the recent change addressed that by marginalizing it and giving it a similar strength to the old passive.
Oleandervine2 votesWhat they threw on her now is better than what they had.
Making her a gimmick champ was not the answer, and the recent change addressed that by marginalizing it and giving it a similar strength to the old passive.
It's still not the answer as it still makes her a gimmicky champion. No champion in this game should be utterly dependent on whether or not they get objective kills. If the enemy is just a better jungler than you, you will fall behind.
WoonStruck1 votesHolding a lot of power in a gimmicky passive is asking for her to be gutted Kindred style, though. If you don't want Shyv gutted, this change is for the better. She's not dependent on drags now, she just gets small bonuses when taking them.
The power budget in the new passive is much smaller and will not cause her to get gutted like the other one would have. That is why its better.
Its not a great passive for her, IMO, but a better passive would warrant nerfs to the rest of her kit as well. Pretty sure that's not what people want.
RisenDarkKnight1 votesI think the actual passive itself is really dumb. It's useless if your team doesn't have dragon control. So, like if your bot lane is losing she just is a weaker version of live shyvana (because it's not safe to do dragon if the enemy bot lane is winning usually).
It's a silly "win more" mechanic.
hhaavviikk1 votesclearly they do otherwise they wouldn't have implemented the change
Dominick Destine1 votesWTF? this is not as bad as Spray and Pray's nerf when it changed to Ratatatatatata... but it's pretty bad.
NodaYame1271 votesHow nice she gets 5 resists if she kills a dragon =_=
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesthey tbh need to remove the resistances she gets from her passive and give her either damage or something else. this is why i hate playing against and with shyvanna. her passive either makes her win the jungle match up unless shes againstsomeone she cant outduel like jax or yi
or you play a caster type jungler and lose to her because you cant possibly duel her after level 6 and she does extreme amounts of damages to anyone that can't kill her.
shes an extremely annoying champion. and shes awful to play because if the enemy team can kite you your useless. but if they can't there isn't much you can do..
just last game i had a shyvanna burst 3 people 1v3. with her W and titanic hydra. she does absurd amounts of aoe damage. but then again if you can kite her shes usless. i personally hate her because shes quite the anti fun champion of the jungle because its very hard to outplay her. if she fucks up she just uses her ult and runs away. but if you have a beefy frontline then your backline makes her usesless
too binary.
Darth Pixy Misa1 votesIMO dragon objectives are less than half the objectives that JG should be worried about. If Shyvana gets Baron, or steals a enemy side buff I think this passive should reward her, especially if they change the name and vear away from the dragon emphasis to "Furious Reckoning" from "Dragonborn".
DunkinNoobs1 votesI actually like Furious Reckoning better. Get revenge on those dragon bitches.
EvilMerodach1 votesI mean they gave us spray and pray, #What did you expect to happen?!
Valexfor1 votesYeah, the new name sucks, and I say that even though I don't play shyvana. I can understand that maybe they think that changing it is necessary so that people see it as a new passive, but Dragonborn is quite iconic so maybe they could change it to something like "Wrath of the dragonborn" or maybe "Fury of the dragonborn", it just feels wrong to completely change sicne it's such a cool name D=.