It's dominated by men not because men don't allow women to join it, it's dominated by men because many women simply aren't interested in gaming. It's as simple as that. If they want to be gamers, they will be welcomed.
I just don't understand why Women reveal thier Sex to people online.
Anonymity is the best policy
Went to school for Game art and animation, had a class of ~13 if i recall, some higher/lower mixed in time to time 4 females 1 was a real slacker and was gone by the second semester by junior year, one left the program to go into biology, which is a shame because this was after the class we had to drop $1k on a 3d sculpting software... the other idk much about, but she was a really dedicated artist and the final one ended up digging more into graphic design more than video game stuff.
In all, I have seen that there was interest, and over time they lose it for some reason or another, but there are people that really do want to, and that is great. People have a choice to do what they want, construction, garbage disposal, and plumbing are all messy jobs, that are primarily men, but nobody is crying they need more woman in those jobs... they want them in the $$$ positions, based on their genitalia, and not on their accomplishments. If a woman has the stuff for the job, they deserve the shot, but if they don't, it isn't right to choose them so you can pat your selves on the back for mark on a quota checkbox
My question Where are the Feminists beating down the doors of the Cosmetics or any industry for being predominantly female dominated?
Equality my ass
Women being uninterested in video games is just a pure stereotype
I don't get who do you think you are to claim something that you just imagine in your mind
if they want to be gamers, they will be welcomed.
I guess no one here has an idea of the amount of sexism girls encounter in games
PS: yes this pax fiasco was an aberration from riot and Yes, sexism against women in video games is still real
It is a plain fact that more males play video games than females. I like anyone interested in gaming, but we can not complain about women being underrepresented when there are just more men interested in the scene. Yeah, more women are enjoying video games than ten years ago - and that's cool - but they still are a minority.
Wanting like a 30% quota of female employees when there's a 9/1 male/female ratio in applicants is just ... kind of unfair?
Id say that nearly as many girls play games as guys. Its just the type of games they flock too dont usually match up. Guys tend to go towards competitive and skill based games way more then girls. Girls tend to go towards community, puzzle, and more relaxing games way more then guys.
There are plenty of games that have fairly equal amounts of both sexes as well as types of games that both sexes enjoy equally.
League is obviously gonna be more popular with guys then girls but there is still a healthy amount of girls that enjoy it.
Saying the gaming industry is dominated by guys because of 1 games statistics is just stupid.
It's dominated by men not because men don't allow women to join it, it's dominated by men because many women simply aren't interested in gaming. It's as simple as that. If they want to be gamers, they will be welcomed.
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Exactly! Just like how preschool and primary school teachers consist of 95% women. You don't see job fairs excluding women because there needs to be more men, that would be ridiculous!
And it is ridiculous.
i guess the auto repair industry is sexist too cuz its dominated by men by like 95%.
I agree with this 100% and I am a woman. I have friends, and family members that are women and don't play games because they aren't all that interested in them, I mean they play mostly mobile games just to kill time and most are the same genre as Candy Crush.
I however am a veteran League player since season 3 and loved the game, I had days where I played great, sometimes going 17/1/5 or better, I even 1v1'd a diamond player once and got some kills on him, all despite being in bronze. But like-wise I had days that I got super tilted and just went like 3/10/2 and such. Either way, my gender never impacted any of that, and I honestly don't think I should "deserve a prize" or be "awarded" for being born female. And I have never once thought that women were being oppressed in this or really anything else, I was able to download and play League just fine, I never once felt like I was being discriminated against in game, I usually never brought up my gender unless someone wanted to be in voice chat or discord. And most of the time I would get "Oh? You're a girl/woman?" and it was always a casual question out of genuine surprise so I would just as casually respond with "Yep" and when the game started I was so focused on the game that communication just became a thing of "Oh, their jung is bot, watch out!" or "Hey, coming in to gank, get ready." etc. And those I kept playing with and talking to on a regular basis became great friends of mine. And we'd usually start making dumb but hilarious jokes while playing so even if we were all tilted the games were still pretty fun.
I have always thought the SJW bullshit was crazy, ever since I first heard about the thing with "gamer gate" I knew right away that it was fucked up and I would want nothing to do with these SJW's and what they stood for. But I didn't know they'd infect so many game companies and franchises over the next few years... And I never thought Riot out of -literally any other company- would take a knee to them, in fact I would have bet money that it would never happen.
I hate everything that's been happening to the games I loved, to the shows I loved, to the movies I loved, to the companies I loved. It makes me sick, so much is being corrupted and ruined by these SJW's but I believed Riot was better than this, I know it's a popular opinion but I hate Daniel Klein and the SJW's that did this so much, it may not have actually impacted the game yet, but things will happen and I'm not going to sit around and watch something I loved and spent literal years playing die slowly in front of my eyes.
GG Riot, me and my male friends will take our gaming else where, because obviously we're not welcome anymore.
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Kinda sums it up I guess.
Don't you think that some women who like gaming would look at the playerbase and see 95% men and not want to join because they would feel like the odd one out? Especially given the fact that girl streamers always get called "fake nerd" or "fake gamer". Kaceytron and Tyler1, they're both famous streamers and I'd say that their content is similar, yet Kaceytron gets harassed for her gender and called a fake gamer much more than t1
Ask female gamers how many times they lie about their gender to their teammates out of fear of harassment (either "ur not a rl gamer, lol fake nerd" or "tits or gtfo"). If women didn't feel harassed why would they lie about gender?
Women tend to leave male-dominated fields, even if they start in them. This is due to harassment and pressure from their colleagues. Here is one source. Here is another. Here is another one. Here is the wikipedia page for women in gaming from which you can get to the citations and sources at the bottom.
I don't know how to feel when I see the same arguments rehashed over and over again even though they've been debunked.
When I see people say things like "women just aren't interested" and "there are no female gamers" it alienates first and foremost the women in the gaming industry right now, and the ones who want to get into it right now. Even if there is a smaller percentage, it is absolutely not okay to act like women have no interest in it at all. They do, and they will continue to. It is a very difficult thing to overcome challenges in your field. We should not shrug off their struggles by saying "maybe women just aren't as into it as men."
As for the fight to get men into female-dominated fields? It's there. There are male makeup models and male nurses. However, they often get harassed out too. Usually by other men who consider them not manly enough. Here is a source.
This is a well-documented phenomenon with many studies to back it up.
Hi there,
I'm a young woman and I would like to respectfully chime in on this post and some of the comments other people made! I think some of my personal experience could really add to the conversation and make some of you guys realize things you don't quite understand as of now--which is actually quite normal since you've never gotten to experience them. Please note that nothing in the following post is intended as a personal attack to any man in this thread, and I would like to apologize in advance in case I come off slightly aggressive here or there. I'm not a native English speaker and certain things tend to come out wrong when I talk about a topic that is important to me!
First of all, some people seem to think that the only reason women don't play video games is because they're just naturally not interested in them. Now, I won't pretend to know everything and so I can't give my opinion as to whether "natural" interest plays a part in this. However, I can tell you of some of the other reasons women might not play (competitive) video games as much as men do:
There is a history of video game companies actively marketing towards boys and men rather than girls and women.
Personal experience (and things I've heard from female friends) seems to show that most girls aren't "encouraged" by their parents to play video games. Some are even actively discouraged, and that doesn't seem to happen nearly as much with boys. For instance, I have a friend who liked video games just as much as her little brother. However, when her parents bought a console for the family, they officially gifted it to the brother. Maybe it had to do with the fact that it was marketed as a boy's toy.
There is a lot of social pressure to conform, especially in secondary school (don't really know what the equivalent is but like 12 to 16 years of age approximately). Therefore, girls that might have had an interest for video games before sometimes get bullied for being "abnormal" by others and quite literally end up getting--or letting themselves be--bullied out of playing video games.
Older family members sometimes intentionally make me feel that I'm not girly enough or that I'm tomboyish because I play video games. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a tomboy, but the fact that you get categorized kind of as a boy for playing games does show there is a societal (negative) bias towards women that have gaming as a hobby.
It is fairly mentally exhausting to play video games as a woman. I constantly have to justify myself and get lumped in with all the "gamer girls" the moment I try to join a conversation regarding gaming. People will often ask for a list of the games I play and my rank in the competitive ones. If I'm not good enough for them or play games they deem to casual or mainstream, I'm told I'm not a "real" gamer. Now, I'm not saying this happens all the time, but it does happen, and it's a little sad when some of my friends have to defend me from some guy who only plays COD and Overwatch telling me I'm not part of the gaming community.
Second, I'd like to touch upon the issue of hiding your gender online. It is not always possible for a girl or a woman to hide the fact that she is female. For example, you can think about games with voice chat. Unless you use a voice changer, which is very likely to make you sound weird and make others mock you for using one, your voice will probably give your gender away. Now, I could always avoid using VC, but it often puts you at quite the disadvantage in competitive games where it is commonly used. Besides, I shouldn't have to restrain from using some of the features just because I was born with a vagina.
Lastly, I would go as far as saying that it is downright unfair and sexist to imply that women are at fault for being discriminated against if they reveal their gender. When one gender has to hide itself in order not to get hate, but the other can claim it loud without consequences, that is quite literally one of the most obvious examples of sexism I could think of. Of course, I'm not saying to go walking around with a username such as DarknessBabe or something along those lines and join every lobby claiming that you've got tits. That's just attention seeking, and nobody likes attention whores. But sometimes, for one reason or another, your gender happens to get revealed, and it should never be a big deal if it does. I mentioned earlier that I wasn't a native English speaker. I'm a French speaker. And see, most things are gendered in French and I know for a fact that things are the same in many other languages. That means that, if people happen to be gaming in another language than English, women would have to go out of their way to break their habit and write in the masculine form whenever they make a comment about themselves. That sounds a little harsh, doesn't it? Blaming women for the sexism they face online is really just another form of victim-blaming, and that is never okay.
TL;DR - I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes, maybe women are naturally less inclined to play video games, but discrimination definitely contributes to make things worse. Moreover, blaming girls when they get harassed because you think they should've gone out of their way to hide something men don't have to hide is blatant sexism, and if you hold those views, you might wanna take a step back and reevaluate a few things.
I hope everyone can understand where I'm coming from, and I'm definitely open to discussion so long as replies are respectful! :-) Good luck to everyone on the Rift!
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Listen, dude, to be real I've dealt with 3 sexist trainwrecks of humanbeings this week, I won't type a blog post about it (if you wanna know, ask), but toxic a*holes like to pick out anything out of the norm, could be ethnicity, age, sexual orientation, whatever, and they will beeline for it. So they beeline for girls. Yes, it's not fair to give all gamers a bad rep because we're not these people's keepers, but they do exist and they are a huge turn-off when it comes to gaming.
As for women in gaming industry, like most of the sexism in that is SUPER-indirect, it's mostly to do with their education and how they were encouraged, it's not on an industry to hire under-qualified workers, true. But when they do get them it is up to them to treat them right.
How about we push people to do what they want and not what's "needed" or "different" for the industry? If you can do it, get it done, nothing can stop you! Positivity all around! [slayer-jinx-wink]
It's dominated by men not because men don't allow women to join it, it's dominated by men because many women simply aren't interested in gaming. It's as simple as that. If they want to be gamers, they will be welcomed.
And the women who do game often do get shamed, and treated like trash especially if you played OVerwatch, and almost all the time then men make the woman play Mercy or there is no healer #True Fact...
I wouldn't be as upset, nor would it look as discrimination is it was Women Only, but the fact of allowing people who do not wish to identify as well, and not telling everyone until like the last minute on Social Media that it was restricted yeah I got issues.
Also I got issues with Men not being allowed because Men are supposedly not into Art, Game Design, or Cosplay it's a pretty horrid thing when you read between the lines and see this.
I don't deny Riot being right, but I don't think sexist / discrimination is the way to go about it.
Both is true. Yeah women gravitate towards this less than men. That doesn't mean that women that go into this area never get disadvantaged, and that doesn't mean that they always get disadvantaged either, but these cases still exist. Same with men that try to go into female dominated areas, like nursing. Just cause you can't generalize it, doesn't mean that sexism doesn't exist.
not only the OP's post but also the majority of the comments on this thread is really sad and sexist stuff
also lazy, misinformed, and indicative of a larger problem y'all are ignoring
