Tell me one jungler who can duel Udyr?

Cloud273··2 votes·1,564 views

Exactly. Udyr is king of the jungle (and always has been) because you guys are too busy crying about Lee Sin, Warwick Rammus, etc. But even before everyone else got nerfed, he was still just as bad.

None of these junglers were ever an issue. There's this thing called late game and their late game is not that great. Lee sin has good early game burst, but falls off really hard late game. The utility with his ward dashing never falls off, but this can be countered somewhat by destroying the wards he wants to dash to. Warwick likes to AFK farm the jungler all day, so pressure other lanes while he does this. And Rammus is a tank, and tanks aren't allowed to do damage. If he's really a problem, get null magic mantle.

Lee sin has one trick up his sleeve during teamfights. All he can do is flash behind his target (unless the enemy is REALLY bad at positioning) and kick them into his team. Udyr is god at all stages of the game. He can escape if he starts losing a duel (which should NEVER happen btw) or if he gets mobbed in the jungle (massive MS steroid), he has AOE damage at level 1, and he has a stun. And he can also tank because turtle stance. Udyr excels at everything he does (which is quite a lot) and all other junglers are just a one trick pony (sorry Hecarim).

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youngjake933 votes

Exactly. Udyr is king of the jungle (and always has been) because you guys are too busy crying about Lee Sin, Warwick Rammus, etc. But even before everyone else got nerfed, he was still just as bad.

None of these junglers were ever an issue. There's this thing called late game and their late game is not that great. Lee sin has good early game burst, but falls off really hard late game. The utility with his ward dashing never falls off, but this can be countered somewhat by destroying the wards he wants to dash to. Warwick likes to AFK farm the jungler all day, so pressure other lanes while he does this. And Rammus is a tank, and tanks aren't allowed to do damage. If he's really a problem, get null magic mantle.

Lee sin has one trick up his sleeve during teamfights. All he can do is flash behind his target (unless the enemy is REALLY bad at positioning) and kick them into his team. Udyr is god at all stages of the game. He can escape if he starts losing a duel (which should NEVER happen btw) or if he gets mobbed in the jungle (massive MS steroid), he has AOE damage at level 1, and he has a stun. And he can also tank because turtle stance. Udyr excels at everything he does (which is quite a lot) and all other junglers are just a one trick pony (sorry Hecarim).

Udyr only excels at what he specs in. You can be a GREAT split pusher as Udyr, but then you are a poor farmer/duelist if you go with the optimal Bear+Zephyr+Ghost split push set. You can be a GREAT duelist as Udyr, but then you are very vulnerable in teamfights and getting caught if you go with the optimal Tiger+Tri Force set. You can be arguably THE BEST farmer if you go Godyr Phoenix+Bork, but then your power spike is like 5 items into the game. You can even go really tanky and actually be REALLY GOOD in team fights because you can basically stun the whole team and tank a lot with Turtle, but then you have no real kill potential during ganks.

The worst part about Udyr is 99% of people just go recommend or Godyr with no real analysis of the game. But even if you do spec properly, it still comes at an opportunity cost regardless.

Anyway, Jax, Warwick and Pantheon can all outduel Udyr.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

Lol Udyr is a duelist. But because they tend to spec and itemize to farm, all lose to Lee, Pantheon, ww, j4..et

And your comment shows you don't know Lee

Flash behind and kick, or move to a ward and kick and so much other options

Live2LetDie2 votes

Also xin and fiddle can destroy udyr.

FiendOfOne2 votes

Lee Sin - buy sightstone, throw ward and jump to it.

Also, Udyr is a duelist but loses a lot of his utility in teamfights.

DoubleDammit2 votes

Exactly. Udyr is king of the jungle (and always has been) because you guys are too busy crying about Lee Sin, Warwick Rammus, etc. But even before everyone else got nerfed, he was still just as bad.

None of these junglers were ever an issue. There's this thing called late game and their late game is not that great. Lee sin has good early game burst, but falls off really hard late game. The utility with his ward dashing never falls off, but this can be countered somewhat by destroying the wards he wants to dash to. Warwick likes to AFK farm the jungler all day, so pressure other lanes while he does this. And Rammus is a tank, and tanks aren't allowed to do damage. If he's really a problem, get null magic mantle.

Lee sin has one trick up his sleeve during teamfights. All he can do is flash behind his target (unless the enemy is REALLY bad at positioning) and kick them into his team. Udyr is god at all stages of the game. He can escape if he starts losing a duel (which should NEVER happen btw) or if he gets mobbed in the jungle (massive MS steroid), he has AOE damage at level 1, and he has a stun. And he can also tank because turtle stance. Udyr excels at everything he does (which is quite a lot) and all other junglers are just a one trick pony (sorry Hecarim).

Junglers who can duel Udyr: -Warwick -Shyvana -Xin Zhao -Jax (especially with incoming updates) -Yi

Dr Endeavor2 votes

Shyvana Let's see who does more with skirmisher/devourer with triple auto + breath debuff :3

Not to mention if you get BotRK too... lol

Cloud2731 votes

A BAD Udyr yes.

SmokingPuffin1 votes

Udyr is quite strong. Devourer nerf is going to hurt his dueling power some, but he'll still be top tier.

As far as dueling champions go, Kayle serves him his head on a plate.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Nunu can deal with Udyr pretty well. Consume and smite allow Nunu to steal monster camps and Snowball + Bloodboil prevents Udyr from chasing him at all. Nunu is great for slowing Udyr's MS and attack speed in teamfights as well, so Udyr can't really do much against him.

However, Udyr is a duelist and he's kinda specialized for it. If you aren't another champion who specializes in dueling, you should try to avoid directly fighting him and let yourself and your team handle him in objective control and teamfights.

Diostukos1 votes

Taric Go ahead, try killing him late game.

Meep Man1 votes

Aatrox Jax Volibear Warwick and arguably Zac

Cloud2731 votes

The problem with Udyr is he NEVER has a bad matchup. He can just level up whatever stance he wants depending on the situation. Champions are supposed to have weaknesses, and he has none.

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