Kayn's shadow assasin form is high risk, low reward.

Sujiren··3 votes·603 views

There is already a million threads similar to this, so I will try to make it short and please atleast try to read it before you downvote.

Rhaast form can be described like this, low risk high reward. You can't go wrong picking this form when it has cc, healing, and destroys tanks / squishies alike and scaling really well into the lategame. Shadow assasin form though is lacking, and it's not the damage. By picking shadow assasin your basically taking massive risk for no reason. Unlike Rhaast it won't do much damage to tanks and fighters and just rely on bursting those squishy targets which as game will go on will prove increasingly more difficult, and unlike Rhaast he offers no utility.

Taking risks is part of the assasin playstyle, I don't want to remove that aspect, but I would like it to be more rewarding when Kayn player is actually sucessful. Just a simple change— if shadow assasin Kayn scores a kill, shadow step's cooldown is completely refreshed. This would fit incredibly well with his mobile assasin theme, allowing him to score kills and get out, or get kills and keep chasing his targets during those jungle skirmishes potentially allowing Kayn to snowball harder for choosing riskier form. Thoughts?

13 Comments

AmetDeCrypt4 votes

that and give him more animation cancel opportunities and/or make his q a bit longer. shortest range leap ever even if it is a low cd.

AchiIles1 votes

I honestly think if they make his q distance farther or make it a shadow "like his w" the assassin route would be much more viable

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

as it is if I play kayn, I play shadow. the w and e just feel so nice I can't be bothered to take rhaast unless we need a bruiser or their team is mostly tanks. even then I just kind of feel like a discount lee sin sometimes.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votes

. Unlike Rhaast it won't do much damage to tanks and fighters and just rely on bursting those squishy targets which as game will go on will prove increasingly more difficult, and unlike Rhaast he offers no utility.

Congrat' u just discover what's assassins are.

Geauxx1 votes

Lmao you made my day

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

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Sujiren1 votes

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Congrat' u just discover what's assassins are.

Whats your point exacly? Kayn has to go through a crappy early game already, and his assasin form is vastly outclassed by his darkin form. Hell Im a fan of his blue form, but even I cant justify picking it in almost any situation. If your gonna comment then actually comment on my suggestion and not to type random nonsense.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Its not a nonsense.

Hell Im a fan of his blue form, but even I cant justify picking it in almost any situation.

Even u ?

I really can see when someone should go one form or not. And its really simple. And even without going with situationnal, u won't go full squishy if u go as Rhaast cause he lack of mobility to use his damage.

What's u complain about is irrevelant

. Unlike Rhaast it won't do much damage to tanks and fighters and just rely on bursting those squishy targets which as game will go on will prove increasingly more difficult, and unlike Rhaast he offers no utility.

When u play Zed Talon Khazix u won't hurt tanks or fighters (relatively) and they offer no mobility either. Kayn Sa don't require more up. His only weakness is his early before transforming.

And for ur suggestion, to me its just a free up for no reason.

Sujiren1 votes

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Its not a nonsense.

Even u ?

I really can see when someone should go one form or not. And its really simple. And even without going with situationnal, u won't go full squishy if u go as Rhaast cause he lack of mobility to use his damage.

What's u complain about is irrevelant

When u play Zed Talon Khazix u won't hurt tanks or fighters (relatively) and they offer no mobility either. Kayn Sa don't require more up. His only weakness is his early before transforming.

And for ur suggestion, to me its just a free up for no reason.

Rhaast lacks mobility... Good one, just stop posting.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Use ur brain. Yeah he lack of mobility to make use of his damage (in scenario where he's build glass cannon).

Sujiren1 votes

He only needs one true tank item. Hashinsin spams him top I saw him build something like, cleaver, deaths dance, maw of malmortius, ninja tabi, guardian angel and randuins. Randuins was basically the only pure tank item, but he still had 350 +ad 2800 hp and did a lot of work in the true lategame, I was watching that 50 minute game and thinking to myself, if he went blue kayn that game they would have lost long time ago, but they ended up winning.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

i would advice to not pick SA for top... SA is better for mid or jungler.

Blade of Justic1 votes

It's not hard...

Chogath Darius Karthus MissFortune Braum means go Rhaast

Malphite Fiora Ekko Caitlyn Soraka means go Shadow Assassin.

If the enemy team has a lot of good jump in and jump out squishies or a lot of people who stay in the back, you go Shadow Assassin.

If everyone likes jumping at your team, go Rhaast and teach them what for.

I think the biggest problem with how people play Kayn has to do with how they build him.

item 1400 item 3071 item 3812 item 3143 item 3156 item 3047 is not going to work on Shadow Assassin and neither is running right at the enemy team like Rhaast does.

It seems that people tend to think that Kayn plays the same way no matter what flavor you pick. But it's not the difference between chocolate or vanilla ice cream.

It's the difference between vanilla ice cream or a chocolate cake.

Rhaast is more like Tryndamere where as Shadow Assassin is more like Shaco or Talon

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