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Master Yi needs a change or a nerf

Sujiren··39 votes·10,938 views

Okay, I am probably gonna be downvoted, and hated for this post but hear me out. Master Yi is a huge problem especially in low ranks, and by low ranks I mean platinum and below, almost every game where I face this character on the enemy team is lost. One thing with champion balancing is the thing that Riot always base their nerf/ buffs based on the tournaments. I see people raging and ranting about Yasuo all the time, but Yi is somehow always under the radar. I personnaly hate Yi far more, Yasuo atleast takes some skill to play, he has to lane to get farmed, he has to build offensive to be effective, and actually has skillshots. Yi gets to free farm in the jungle then just runs at you with his q does a couple of aa proceeds to spam q in the teamfight and then meditates, thats about it. Its literally free loss every single time your team composition is not overloaded with crowd control, and that rarely happens in solo q. My suggestion to fix the champion would be either make his q a skillshot or atleast missable, considering how powerful it is, with the reset and the invulnerability, or remove his true damage, I never understood why he has superior true damage to irelia, on top of his speed steroids, that allows him to build 2 attack speed items and then just go full tank and still kill your backline in 3 seconds even in the lategame. Make him build squishy and crit like the old ad yi before the rework if he wants to do that much damage in my opinion. Either way this character really needs some sort of change/ nerf the design itself is toxic, I really don't think its healthy for the game to have champions that are instantly free win if the enemy is not stacked with hard cc.Thoughts?

51 Comments

Mecha MaIphite12 votes

platinum and below

that's a weird way to spell bronze

MissingKayo8 votes

Or you can learn to play and stop whining.

If you don't have CC, you deserve to lose.

Sujiren9 votes

We are talking about solo q here, ranked draft he can be picked late, and you really dont control what champions your team picks.

MissingKayo5 votes

That is completely irrelevant. You are free to pick someone with CC. If you don't trust teammates to do so, then do it yourself or ban him if you think Yi is that much of a problem. Stop whining.

Sujiren15 votes

Yi player detected.

MissingKayo4 votes

Not even close. I haven't played him in literally over a year. Keep crying and reaching for baseless assumptions to defend your argument.

The downvote circlejerk from garbage players is hilarious though.

Sujiren10 votes

Well as an ad main I kinda feel helpless against this champion. Almost vs every other champion in the game I feel like there is some sort of counterplay, I can dodge fizz fish, I can kite out jax or irelia, but there isin't any counterplay to yi other than never getting in range of his q, if you ever step into his zone, he is gonna home to you with his invulnerability and then murder you/ chase you down with his insane speed and damage, unless like I said your team comp has enough hard cc and reacts fast enough to crowd control him, which again rarely happens in the solo q. Im not saying he is op in tournaments or 5 vs 5, I am saying he is a problem in the solo q.

MissingKayo4 votes

Now, see, if you actually made a thread asking for help instead of crying he needs nerfs, you'd get better responses.

Grouping (You shouldn't be alone anyways whether or not there is a Yi past laning) Map awareness/warding (especially during laning to see when he's coming) CC (Self-explanatory) Shielding/healing items (Locket, Redemption, Face of the Mountain, etcetera)

You don't even need a lot of hard CC. Yi is extremely squishy. Just one CC ability and you can kill him in half a second. And again, if you don't trust your teammates to pick a champion with CC or land it, then you can pick the one with CC instead.

He is completely balanced and fair, and if anything, he is garbage due to how easily he gets stopped. I mean think about it, if you give a champion clear strengths and weaknesses, but no one ever bothers to play off his weaknesses, he should be strong, no?

HBITT1 votes

What is this comment to is squishy?? I jusy got out of a game with him he had 3k health by the end compared to a 1800 ad thats incredibly hard to deal wit

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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Well as an ad main I kinda feel helpless against this champion. Almost vs every other champion in the game I feel like there is some sort of counterplay, I can dodge fizz fish, I can kite out jax or irelia, but there isin't any counterplay to yi other than never getting in range of his q, if you ever step into his zone, he is gonna home to you with his invulnerability and then murder you/ chase you down with his insane speed and damage, unless like I said your team comp has enough hard cc and reacts fast enough to crowd control him, which again rarely happens in the solo q. Im not saying he is op in tournaments or 5 vs 5, I am saying he is a problem in the solo q.

Burst and CC are the best counters.

I honestly dislike his Meditate buff, I don't think it was needed and just added unnecessary power and removed the benefit of Meditate auto attack reseting.

Having played Yi a bit a few weeks ago, I'd say his biggest weakness is being kited by mages and CC. When he's snared, he can't Alpha Dodge or juke anything. An Orianna has kited me very successfully, needing to Q me only twice before ulting and then I had to run away.

I've dealt with most squishies by flashing on top of them, however. It's very difficult to get away from a Yi, as you said, and doing that means you have Q free to dodge stuff.

Then again, standard Yi build is a lot squishies than mine and does worse burst but better DPS, which means all in all, it's worse against squishies with damage.

Dr Dog1 votes

yi is not a problem at all as a ad main, literally just pick a adc with self peel, jinx, vayne, cait, draven, ashe, ezreal he has one gap closer and he always stops on top of you after it along with being delayed, he has plenty of counterplay your just too ignorant to see it, and he isnt a problem in solo queue hes got a negative win rate across every tier

jesusdied4rsins4 votes

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yi is not a problem at all as a ad main, literally just pick a adc with self peel, jinx, vayne, cait, draven, ashe, ezreal he has one gap closer and he always stops on top of you after it along with being delayed, he has plenty of counterplay your just too ignorant to see it, and he isnt a problem in solo queue hes got a negative win rate across every tier

So you proceed to stun him flash away and to the benefit of doubt activate your yommus, which he will ult flash alpha strike you and you are dead

TheDankDuck1 votes

MissingKayo (NA) - 2 years ago Not even close. I haven't played him in literally over a year. Keep crying and reaching for baseless assumptions to defend your argument.

The downvote circlejerk from garbage players is hilarious though.

Ahem yeah this guy is level 20 and doesn't know which champ yi is

Quattro Bajeena3 votes

{quoted}

Yi player detected.

That's not the best way to talk to people when trying to get a point across. And if you want to kill him late game just have 1 stun and have your carries focus him for 2 seconds and he'll die. Circlejerking will just hinder you as a player. Keep downvoting everyone man, people are clearly going to listen to you then.

Mecha MaIphite15 votes

If you have no CC, you're going to lose whether they have a yi or not

sobi99914 votes

{quoted}

Or you can learn to play and stop whining.

If you don't have CC, you deserve to lose.

That's the same as saying " we want tank meta" .

MissingKayo1 votes

Literally nothing even slightly close, but nice try.

Big Lincoln1 votes

but mages, supports and some ADCs have hard CC

so do a lot of fighters, nearly every diver has one

leagueofdankest3 votes

yi has a q and an ult that directly counters cc

Xavanic7 votes

This is a problem with the fighter class as a whole, they scale better then anything in the game, and once late game hits their absolute monters with 2-3 dmg items and the rest tank, and basically one shotting any squishies they get on top of

meowwow76 votes

tbh yi is just plain out in a bad position with the newer jungle like for instance krugs and the birbs destroy him o.o

Arion4356 votes

"You just suck at the game. All you need to do hit him with one stun and he is dead." Couple of problems with this bullshit thing that people always say about Yi. ONE: it would work to hit him with cc, but he is so fast and has so much invulnerability with his Q that it is almost impossible to hit him with a skill shot. On top of that, he pops Q to dodge and click stuns that you may have. He literally get over 2.00 attack speed for nothing, because his ult gives him so much free attack speed. TWO: with his E, he does way too much true damage for nothing. He can literally dish out over 500 true damage in seconds. This makes it impossible to itemize against him, because he just shreds armor anyways. THREE: His Q does way too much damage. It can crit and scales with 100% of his AD meaning he has a 500 damage spell on a 2 second cool down as long as he autos. FOUR: The cool down reset on his Q is the biggest load of bull crap ever. He auto attacks so fast with his double strike passive and attack speed steroid that the thing literally gets to a 2 second cool down that gives him invulnerability, AoE damage, and does about 400 to 500 every time. People talk about Fizz invulnerability but on a 2 second cool down.

meero98754 votes

He's Too Powerful Against Solo Q When He's Invurnelable because life steal, aa is so fast, ms is so big, deals a crap ton of ad, has a 100 crit change and needs basicly no skill.

jax bro2 votes

I agree yi is just lame, I own him with udyr counter jungle everytime. but still after 30 minutes gameplay with a 0/10 yi. He comes with 2 items and slaughter me and my whole team. even when I have cc It takes 2/5 players to stop 1 yi player that is lame... When you have skill champions that cause more stress and keys to use, you need farm and k/d for that, while yi only needs to farm to get the kills.... Vayne I understand cause of hard dodges and try not to get hit. But yi is just....Brainless here I come 1 / 3 his then I run and heal. Lets say you are coming to silver / gold / platinum and you must play against someone that is quite good with yi. Now lets imagine you're team sucks but you carry hard but remember that you have a 20/30 minute clock before the game ends.... That is the feeling against yi

bbQsauçe1 votes

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Yaśuo Main1 votes

Yasuo is also very easy to feed on, because of how much Yasuo allows you to be really bad at him. His dashes are horrible in the river, his only defensive ability can only block projectile CC or just projectiles in general, on top of a shield that is unable to be configured in your favor from early game to late game such as

late game - flow shield is a huge shield but takes forever to replenish and is literally the easiest thing to take down when you AA it, in which he will either lose the flow shield or blow his windwall, however he will not blow his windwall usually, only rarely.

early game - shield isn't even close to strong, more annoying to both players at mid lane due to the fact that it's easy to gain (annoying for enemy) and easy to lose, along with the fact that it blocks not even half your health at that time period ever (annoying for yasuo)

His only CC is a projectile and is heavily telegraphed because of it's bullet speed being lower than Zac at a limbo party, not to mention it's such a weak knock up that is only really "op" for the damage it deals and not the duration of the knock up, AND that it doesn't come from the center of Yasuo so it's a lot easier to miss at melee range. He is also one of the easiest people to focus due to how most team fights put him in the center or backline thanks to his vital Q and R, and basically is as resistant to damage as a toothpick is resistant to a person snapping it once all his defensive things are down. Basically a better version of Yi that isn't in your face all the time.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Yasuo is literally Yi but he actually isn't garbage higher than gold.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Yasuo is literally Yi but he actually isn't garbage higher than gold.

Yeah, he's literally Yi but with worse damage to squishies, worse damage to tanks, worse damage to everything actually, worse dueling, and arguably worse scaling.

Yasuo is more versatile than Yi but Yi is better at his specific strengths. Yasuo is also better than Yi, but he's also better-designed than Yi. And there's no bias here. I main both champions, Yasuo top lane, Yi jungle.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Yeah. Yasuo has less damage, but he has other things (yi only has damage) that makes him viable.

Dracocrash1 votes

lul, I have 0 problem with him. His early ganks are just so pathetic. Any jungler can outgank him, snowball lanes and before yi can even finish farming 2 items the game has ended.

Commando Yi1 votes

yea it's really crazy how yi is dominating the pro scene

TSM Polarbear3 votes

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yea it's really crazy how yi is dominating the pro scene

Theres a difference between the pro scene and solo q.

In my opinion,

Master yi just scales too good with attack speed which allows him to get away with building pure tank after razor and blade. This was the same problem with tank yasuo/Ekko they did ridiculous amounts of damage but were extremely hard to kill because they scaled so good with only a couple offensive items which led to an unhealthy dynamic for the game.

I agree that you can just CC Master yi, but when he is able to be a tank and takes a decent amount of time to actually kill, all while he is dealing hyper carry damage to your team. keep in mind he doesn't need that long of a window to kill anyone remember he has botrk to shred any tank let alone the adc or mage.

Honestly this is a problem with alot of fighters.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

And yi surely is shitting on Soloq, like how ivern and shaco is?

GULAG 4 U1 votes

? Riot doesn't balance around low elo.

LunanEclipse1 votes

My biggest problem with Yi is his W he gets free stacks of his double strike, up to 70% damage reduction, pauses the time on his ult and his e, does healing based on missing health and allows his cds to refresh. The biggest problem with it is it halts the time remaining on his e and ult meaning he can pop them and if he goes directly into his W he doesn't lose anything for it.

Report for Wuju1 votes

Everyone uses it to AA reset anyways.

WangMaster90001 votes

Just pick yi and darius on same team, easy free elo, you focus darius, yi deletes your team, you focus yi, darius dunks your team, pick your poison, either way you will lose 100%

DankmasterBaker1 votes

100% agree with you bro, hate the champ that much, takes no skill and leaves his enemys for dust early game even with just 2 kills from using his Q its so bullshiit, he defs needs to nerfed or re worked cause its so annoying for late game champs! for people who don't agree you obviously dont play with or against yi's often. The champ is a joke

ichung81 votes

I'm not going to lie, I really don't like how he can q over cc.

Simpumba1 votes

I'm not sure what rank you are, but I sure haven't seen a Yi since I was low gold and silver.

I haven't seen a Yi since season 4 in ranked.

If you want to counter him play Shyvana.

Edit: He's also completely useless if he doesn't get fed, and if a yi gets fed off ganks, you're doing something really wrong.

PhtThc1 votes

i have 400k mastery point and u can't stun yi with morg... when he is in ultimate so much speed untill my stun gets to him he has speed to avoid or even q on me and my stun is equal to 0, also no items.... to counter him as he deal true dmg and crits you a lot max 1 q and 2 basic in less than a second youre dead, hoppely riot will use theyr brain before doing such things... u have to have 2-3 champs with cc and al of thouse to focus him.... and in a team fight u will go with all abilities to kill yi and enemy team just kill anyway... ive seen yi going 0 -7-0 after buying 3 items... he went penta.... in fight... as we focus adc and mid first... then lost game in max 10 minutes, wtf was riot thinking no counter items... less than 3 champ to counter after 15 min

Achiliz1 votes

Its true, he doesnt need nerf, soloq is game with 4 unknown people and if you are below diamond, they will not try to adapt their picks to yi, and even if they do, there is another problem.. KAYLE + YI + LULU/JANNA It is literally unstopable, i just finished game, i was twisted fate and my teammates were braum, shen, elise, and jinx. So, we had everything to stop yi. Even after we did full cc chain, there are other 4 people who are smashing on us while we have to constantly dps and cc him, but still there are his suports who will save him from our incredible cc chain. Yi by itself is not that big problem, easy countered by cc even if only cc you have is you, but when he is combined with kayle on top and some other supp on bot, he is literally unstopable. I know i know, i can ban him, but i dont wanna risk to get fed yasuo or some other 1v9 champion. Rito has to do something about it for real..MasterYi item 3070

jesusdied4rsins1 votes

All I want to say is that it is ridiculous that Yi only has to build a Bloodrazor to start dealing late game damage And he just isnt fun to play against

ThatWebSlinger1 votes

you are right yi needs his q nerfed massive and he needs to crit less often i just lost a game where i was fed and a yi single handly won the game becuase yi just would just kill us since we had new players at no one was a tank yi need his w to be able to be inturpted and his ult should only last like 3 seconds and his q should only work on minions and put him back in place yi is an easy champ to use and his does way too much damage for such a low skill cap

The Iceborn1 votes

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Halftime Illaoi

at least he can't build DFG anymore

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