lol @ Caitlyn haters

Penta Penguin·Sep 22, 2016·46 votes·3,513 views

ever since her rework people have been complaining about her traps, now she gets a jungler who can literally brush out an entire lane

RIP

60 Comments

AstôlfoSep 22, 201625 votes

I wasn't aware brushes rooted you for 2 full seconds, gave true sight, and massively increased enemies' auto-attack damage to you. Comparing the two is silly. Caitlyn is generally fine except the "putting traps under enemy tower" thing.

FantasySniperSep 23, 20162 votes

Well... and that massive burst combo.

Only Play DariusSep 23, 201615 votes

I think he means that Ivern can leave bushes in her lane and she can use them to stack her passive twice as fast

AstôlfoSep 23, 201612 votes

oh hell i'm an oblivious idiot

ABSINTHEgedSep 23, 20169 votes

How is this comment upvoted? It seems to completely miss the point of the OP that cait benefits massively from the new jungler due to her passive.

Spaceman5pffSep 23, 20161 votes

Yeah they should be targetable when under a hostile active turret

adidasSep 22, 20163 votes

Nobody complains about caitlyn.. shes such an average pick now compared to jinx lucian jhin and ezreal

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20169 votes

not true there is a thread from bout an hour ago about how caitlyn's early game is TOO OPPRESSIVE

adidasSep 22, 201612 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:34:14.142+0000)

not true there is a thread from bout an hour ago about how caitlyn's early game is TOO OPPRESSIVE

So someone making a thread about caitlyn being oppressive automatically means its true..?

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20166 votes

thats because it is. shes stupid as hell early game and late game her trap cd is nonexistant as well as her zoning potential on ALL melee champs from sieging.

adidasSep 22, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=ANJell 1004,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:38:49.781+0000)

thats because it is. shes stupid as hell early game and late game her trap cd is nonexistant as well as her zoning potential on ALL melee champs from sieging.

Sounds to me like you have a skill issue :X

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20165 votes

im sure me being a melee and not able to get near a turret late game is a skill issue rather than something to do with game mechanics. xD good one :)

adidasSep 22, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=ANJell 1004,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:41:45.134+0000)

im sure me being a melee and not able to get near a turret late game is a skill issue rather than something to do with game mechanics. xD good one :)

Tell me what melee champ is able to get near a turret besides blitz late game...

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20164 votes

dodge the hook . cait however? dont even try to take the objective. just sit in the back like a helpess moron and hope your adc knows whats going on.

adidasSep 22, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=ANJell 1004,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:47:29.759+0000)

dodge the hook . cait however? dont even try to take the objective. just sit in the back like a helpess moron and hope your adc knows whats going on.

dodge the hook

Oh ok. So we're assuming that every player is dodging hooks perfectly.

Ok. Lets also assume your team didnt let cait walk up to your tower and put 5 traps

Fair?

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20163 votes

when we siege. we. w e . us. u s . let me just stand guard in front fo her tower in case she places 5 traps stopping all melees from touching the tower without losing a third of their hp late game with a crit.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20165 votes

so Caitlyn being a lane bully and using her range and poke to stop a siege or to provide a siege is a bad thing?

its bad for her to do exactly what her kit is designed to do?

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20162 votes

stopping a siege? i didnt know you could stop a siege and do 1k damage with a crit late game was "stopping a siege"

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20163 votes

omg not another adc full build past 35mins in the game doing damage... man they need to nerf all the adcs

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20161 votes

yes. i also play kalista to do 1k damage to someone a mile away because he stepped on a trap.

adidasSep 22, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=ANJell 1004,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:50:26.819+0000)

yes. i also play kalista to do 1k damage to someone a mile away because he stepped on a trap.

You obviously never played when Kalista wasen't so nerfed.

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20163 votes

you have obviously never seen the difference in range between kali and cait.

adidasSep 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=ANJell 1004,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T22:14:59.714+0000)

you have obviously never seen the difference in range between kali and cait.

I used to pick kalista into cait because level 6 comes thats a dead cait..

Maybe you should just look for actual ways to beat her instead of complaining..?

18 NAKED COWB0YSSep 22, 20162 votes

as a melee late game the only thing i need is flash and hopefully the enemy team not peeling for her that well.

sieging is nonexistant. going near traps is nonexistant.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20165 votes

lol see what i mean....

and i never said she was oppressive or that its true she is oppressive i clearly stated that people are still complaining about it when you said they didnt

adidasSep 22, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:44:13.129+0000)

lol see what i mean....

and i never said she was oppressive or that its true she is oppressive i clearly stated that people are still complaining about it when you said they didnt

Caitlyn has 650 range

Jinx switches to rockets and has the same range + AOE that means she can hit a minion thats 650 units away while you're 670 and it'll still hit you and whatevers around it.

Cait caps out at about 1.6 attack speed.

Jinx with reset gets 2.5

Caits Niche is Sieging. Shes actually not made for team fighting as much as people think. Yeah she put traps around your tower.

Why did you guys let her beat you to the objective? If shes putting traps at your tower in lane where is your jungler? That is the easiest gank alive.

crippler38Sep 23, 20165 votes

A. cait still has a decent escape she's not the easiest gank alive. B. her safety and high damage lets her fight with her team rather easily and her snaptraps make it slightly harder for people to engage on her. C. Jinx requires a windup and is not as safe as cait and most people would say she's overtunned at the moment.

anything else or anything anyone disagrees with?

TerranHybridSep 23, 20161 votes

The last Caitlin I faced tried this same thing. A Morgana stun and a Tristiana jump later she was a smear on the rift.

There is always an answer.

crippler38Sep 23, 20163 votes

got one for a terrible MF and a terrible Sona vs a fiddle support being stuck under tower without any ganks?

I'm really bad with MF but people keep telling me she counters cait, but I don't really see how if the cait knows how to kite and my friend's just bad in general so her sona game isn't exactly on point.

TerranHybridSep 23, 20161 votes

Miss Fortune wrecks people behind minions. If you can last hit a minion with her Q and hit her or her support with the "bounce", it deals nasty damage. Follow up with an E and she is either running for her life or is about to get killed by you in range of your W. It runs off almost everyone if the MF player is good about landing them, but this takes practice. It adds a huge "math" problem to the lane phase that forces her to play more passively because her bounce off a killed target is brutal. :)

For Sona, her Power Chords work really well against just about everyone, but I've found that a lot of Sona players try to use "Power Q" for the extra damage rather than "Power W" for reduced damage or "Power E" for reduced speed. I would personally use "Power E" to slow her if you get her on the run, and "Power W" in all other instances to mitigate her damage.

As for Fiddle, his annoying pokey bird is your largest concern, but the same MF bounce shot will literally annihilate him if you're holding pace, and even when you're behind. It is her greatest weapon in lane, and in general. MF's ulti is wonderful, but if you get really good at "landing the bounce", you'll find that many people will become passive in lane against you.

Edit: Disclaimer - I'm a Support Main and do not actually play Miss Fortune, but I've had the joy of seeing this in action numerous times. If I were your support, in that case, I would have chosen Morgana for the hard CC's to set up your killing shots. :)

crippler38Sep 23, 20161 votes

thanks but the cait and fiddle positioned so that I could never bounce a shot into them and my friend on the sona is basically a total pacifist and for some reason I can only get her to poke if she's on taric and I'm draven (don't ask how THAT works out but she does negative damage on sona)

buuut I guess it boils down to 'git gud' at bouncing, ty though for the advice.

TerranHybridSep 23, 20161 votes

It's something you can work on over time. For your Sona friend, I would recommend playing against Intermediate Bots with them and have her take Sona to Mid. Learn how to play offence that way. When and how to poke, ect. It may also be worthwhile to introduce her to Janna Janna, Morgana Morgana, and Thresh Thresh.

Practice makes perfect, and with greater experience comes greater application. :)

crippler38Sep 23, 20161 votes

what we're working on right now is getting her to ult before the teamfight is over.

TerranHybridSep 23, 20161 votes

I consider Sona one of my two mains. The best advice I can offer here is "Don't be afraid to miss", and "If you can hit more than one Champion, fire." I won't claim to know the psychology involved, but early on, I was terrified of either missing, nor not getting it "perfectly right". Even hitting two or three targets can alter the fight for your team, and a lot of times just seeing it come out of her can "spook" your enemies and dissemble their formation.

Don't be afraid to use it to escape either. Sona's Ultimate is one of the true joys of the character, especially when you catch an entire time with it and watch your guys go in and punish them for dancing. :D

crippler38Sep 23, 20161 votes

let me put it this way, until a few weeks ago she held onto exhaust like it was her own child and she still doesn't use taric ult of all things until the fight is over.

TerranHybridSep 23, 20161 votes

I still do that. I'm bad about using Exhaust to this day.

There is a YouTube Video called "Sona Tips and Tricks" by the user Windaa that might be worth viewing. Seeing Sona in action may help her confidence with what she's doing, and all of the advice in that short (less than 4 minutes) video is worthwhile. ^_^

TerranHybridSep 23, 20161 votes

I should also add that even using it on a single target who is out of position for an easy kill is also very useful. It can turn the tide of your lane and it will force them to respect her stun, because the damn thing is so hard to dodge when it's laid down correctly, and can almost always result in certain death when hit.

crippler38Sep 23, 20161 votes

agreed, she does that with taric for some reason (don't ask me why she has no problem engaging or poking with a melee but with anyone ranged she's like NOPE'

FantasySniperSep 23, 20161 votes

MF doesn't really counter Cait, there's just less reason to get within range of her since you're always looking to Double Up on her. Saying MF counters Cait is like saying that Zyra counters Blitz. There are some limited interactions that Zyra can exploit, but beyond that Blitz always has the advantage.

DroogzySep 23, 20161 votes

A lot of her power comes down to managing her bounces which is difficult at first.

Support synergy is also crucial for MF, her best support is probably Morgana. If she lands a snare on the ADC after 6, that's a dead ADC 9/10.

Spaceman5pffSep 23, 20161 votes

Speaking of tristana jump, WHY CAN'T I ROCKET JUMP OVER TRAPS.

THEY ARE ON THE GROUND I AM IN THE SKY

Same for Gnar Jax Khazix Zac and quite a few other champs with airborne animations. I know it is PURELY thematic, but if you could jump over the traps, that would make for pretty good ways to break caitlyn seiges, since you can't really flank since it take MAX 2 wards to tell when someone is walking around the flank.

crippler38Sep 25, 20161 votes

because jumps are actually dashes so RIP

adidasSep 25, 20161 votes

{quoted}

A. cait still has a decent escape she's not the easiest gank alive. B. her safety and high damage lets her fight with her team rather easily and her snaptraps make it slightly harder for people to engage on her. C. Jinx requires a windup and is not as safe as cait and most people would say she's overtunned at the moment.

anything else or anything anyone disagrees with?

''her high damage'''

What. You know how many adcs do way more damage than caitlyn will. Unless you're stepping in traps.

Also Jinxs windup yeah thats true but it only takes a second to wind up jinx.

crippler38Sep 25, 20161 votes

jinx windup requires her to become a lower range adc and cait's net gives her headshot damage. She has less DPS but is by far one of the safest adcs in the game as well as her good siege abilities (both defending and attacking) and if she plants a trap right in your path as a melee (or even as a ranged) that means you have to take an extra little bit to adjust yourself so you don't lose a huge chunk of your hp to her headshot.

GULAG 4 USep 23, 20161 votes

It doesn't. When a thread about a champion comes out, 90%+ of the time it's just QQ. Sometimes you get good arugments but 90% of them are full of butter such as "WINRATES WINRATES WINRATES" "MY DIAMOND 69 RANK" "FUK U YASUO IS CANCER"

ReikkenSep 23, 20163 votes

{quoted}

Nobody complains about caitlyn

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YaMrKRwE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T21:34:14.142+0000)

not true

yes. someone making a complaint thread means that it is not true that nobody complains

FantasySniperSep 23, 20162 votes

There's been a couple threads now. It's been debated, but it's hard to ignore that these are legitimate complaints.

SpoofghoulSep 23, 20161 votes

yes this is boards if the thread has upvotes it is truth

UnpaladinSep 22, 20163 votes

Caitlyn shoving you in and taking residence in a bush just outside your tower, with her traps placed so specifically that you can't walk anywhere without getting your face blasted off. This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20164 votes

yet her pick rate is 17.68% and win rate is 50.43% with by all complaints and threads on the boards is balanced