@Riot 52% winrate, 30% pickrate

LegitBacon66··84 votes·4,460 views

Why hasn't Caityln been touched? You talk about "hot fixxing" 6.24 for some champions to come in line so the holiday season isn't screwed up but obviously you missed Caityln? This is a prime example of a champion who has no defined weaknesses at all in her kit. The statistics are way too high. When is she going to be looked at?

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Cocho24 votes

Her winrate is only high because Nobody plays Sivir KogMaw Draven Ashe She's good against Vayne Twitch and Lucian sucks

cait isn't the problem

Spaceman5pff6 votes

even though she is a problem, she isn't a problem?

Looknook8 votes

What he is saying is that some champs are kept in line by other champs that are good at exploiting their weaknesses. Other Adcs that do well against Caitlin like Lucian are that great right now, while champs like vayne and Twitch whom she does very well against are quite common. So if Lucian was buffed it would actually help balance Cait in some regards.

Cocho5 votes

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

the -11 lol im dying. People hate cait. Riot needs to look at the early game ad carries. late game adcs shouldnt be the only way to go if you want to win.

Chamuel8511 votes

Her mid game is her weakness. No real appreciable AS roid. She'll lose to most ADCs in mid game because she doesn't have one.... unless she's fed.

dominusx30 votes

she doesnt drop off cut the bs IE runnas Berseker is as strong as most adcs if not better.

Leetri7 votes

She actually does drop off, but not enough. From 54.67% winrate at 0-25 minutes to 51.1% at 35-40 minutes, and then she starts to climb up again.

OHminus4 votes

I don't really hate Cait and I don't see why people like to bitch about her, but 51.1 percent winrate isn't exactly low.

(I personally think Runaan's is just busted and every adc that can abuse it rn - Cait, Twitch, Jinx - is busted).

ChaoticPinecone3 votes

To be fair, he said "drop off," not "is bad". And he also said "but not enough."

Cait drops off midgame. Nobody can really deny that. Its just that even Leetri recognized that her "Strong early but gets weaker midgame" is gives her more power midgame than champions who are "Weaker early but get stronger midgame."

Leetri1 votes

I never said it was low. My point was that she DOES drop off during mid game, but she doesn't drop enough to justify her early and late strengths. If she's gonna be that strong early and late she gotta drop further in the middle. Getting downvoted for stating objectively true stats, only on the boards. :/

OHminus1 votes

More like you're getting a downvote on this comment for saying you got downvoted, which you didn't.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Leetri1 votes

My original comment was downvoted at the time I made that reply, but now someone has upvoted it so it's back at 1. How ironic, you downvoted me for stating a fact saying I wasn't downvoted for stating a fact.

KekOfTheFinest1 votes

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DarkSunSovereign3 votes

Go home, you're drunk.

OHminus8 votes

It's not Cait - it's Runaan's. Cait's headshot may need some tweaking but overall it's that item that's busted. Every adc that rushes this item (except for the possibility of Ashe) is extremely strong atm. The only adc that's strong rn that doesn't need Runaan's is Vayne, and that's an entirely different story for an entirely different day.

LatetotheRace1 votes

It would probably make sense if it didn't even proc when she headshots.

OHminus2 votes

^This. Also might want to nerf the damage on the headshot by just a bit, especially since she gets it simply from autoing.

Rorana1 votes

could just make headshot an on attack effect instead of an on hit effect, which would get rid of the synergy with runnans

ahferroin72 votes

Graves and MF are still strong, and Runaan's on either of them is usually not a good idea (believe it or not, MF actually does better played as an AD caster (straight AD build), and Graves is really a ranged brusier).

OHminus3 votes

Graves isn't an adc as you stated, while MF, while still strong, isn't Vayne/Twitch/Cait tier atm.

Whitakker1 votes

MF is only as strong as the comp that is built around her.

SpookyNeedle6 votes

What about our other fried Janna

Carnerox2 votes

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What about our other fried Janna

Caitlyn/Janna is fucking bullshit.

Whitakker1 votes

I think you mean "wonderful". I'm guaranteed a win whenever those two are on my team.

cope moment5 votes

dude i love deep fried jannas tastes delicious always takes my breath away

Depárt6 votes

Many other champions need to be put up to the chopping block before Caitlyn.

Although she does need a few changes to her traps, her pick rate isn't her being super strong. It's the meta shitting on most other adcs.

ModKnightsKemplar5 votes

Because 52 isn't that far out of line. There are champs with 54 and 55% win rates plat+. It's just not bad enough to risk weirdness on a hotfix.

Delphinium4 votes

There's a reason why I don't visit this board anymore. It's because she stands out all other adcs. It's not like she is strong, but it's because other adcs are weak.

Anidan1 votes

Must be why they're trying to nerf Caitlyn. The Boards, as a general entity (not every single person involved) has a major hate-boner for anything related to ADCs so it wouldn't be very surprising if there was only 1 strong ADC and they petitioned until that was nerfed to be crap too so that they're all crap.

Y'know, until they remember: ranged top laners, any and all tank nerfs from the last 3 seasons that could potentially be reverted in their eyes, burst damage as a whole, mobile bruisers, lane bullies as a generalization, and so on. Then they'll go on about those instead. Feels like some people literally just come to the forums to indirectly say the game is crap (or close to it) but their suggestions would totally save it from that shame. Not that it'll stop people who don't play MOBAs (or some people who play other MOBAs) from saying it is anyway.

Delphinium2 votes

Their suggestion of nerf champions is just the one who just shit on then on their last ranked game. This board is just full of silvers and its not worth visiting now.

Anidan1 votes

At this point I'm rarely ever here for balance discussions. I like to keep up with what's going on in the game even though I don't play anymore, and the best discussions I find tend to have nothing to do with balance, because it's hard to have a good discussion when you have people that aren't willing to have a slow-paced, thoughtful conversation when the topic itself is as immediately passionate as balance since that can affect you every day, unlike something like the long-term effects of various institutions or policies in gaming.

Balance discussions tend to be faster and more heat-of-the-moment specifically because balance changes so frequently. So it's hard to get a good one going that won't have someone bear it down to elements of cursing out RIOT in some way, or cursing out someone for defending a champion that's 2% over the line in terms of what they consider to be balanced. Pair that with "Us vs. Them" mentality for determining who stands on what side for champion balance, "Us" being the side that sensibly wants them nerfed and "Them" being the mains that want to defend their easy wins.

Basically, yeah, pretty much what you said. For balance, this place isn't really worth visiting most times, because whether something needs a nerf or a buff they're going to be overly championed by those want those changes with the unpopular opinion being anyone that disagrees with what the so-called circlejerk is going for - be they rallying for buffs for champions that have historically caused problems when they're strong, or nerfs for champions they perceive as having always been strong even if it statistically isn't true.

Hrud3 votes

I'd touch Caitlyn up if you know what I mea...

I mean nvm I gotta let my duo abuse freelo.

Michael Sykes1 votes

+1

10/10 would b.... buff!

Boiled Triangles2 votes

Does she just not get picked around gold elo? I literally never see her. Just curious.

LegitBacon664 votes

Thats interesting. Im bronze-silver. If she isn't banned shes instantly picked

ahferroin73 votes

She's popular at low ELO because she's insanely easy to play. As you climb higher, you see more of champs like Jinx and Twitch who require more mechanical skill to play well, but are arguably much stronger than her in the hands of a skilled player.

Whitakker1 votes

^.

Caitlyn, along with Ashe, are baseline skill floor ADCs that have easy to understand and utilize kits.

Miku Append2 votes

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Thats interesting. Im bronze-silver. If she isn't banned shes instantly picked

Bronze - Silver. Take a look at that again.

Carnerox1 votes

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Does she just not get picked around gold elo? I literally never see her. Just curious.

Wat

Just glacing at your match history I see a few here or there.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

You're looking at normals not ranked games.

Boiled Triangles2 votes

This, also there was only 2 in the last 15 games (and 1 of them was after I posted my comment).

Canastus2 votes

Wanna know who else is a huge offender in terms of good pick- and winrate? Ahri. Ahri

Not only is she one of the most popular midlaners in the entire game, she even has a 53-54% winrate since an entire year now. And still, no nerfs in sight for this menace. The bias for this champion is simply unreal.

Gusdel3 votes

I hate to say this but she was good windows of weakness where you can kill her. She isn't the most annoying but not the best to lane against. Now saying that she does way too much true damage and late game if she is ahead she melts everyone equally. If a tank builds health to counter her you lose defense and the ADC rips you apart. Which is her issue. She needs little MR pen so she can build heavy hitting AP items to do a lot of true damage. So she can force the tank to build too much health and let the ADC go nuts which is why she has such a high winrate to counter build.

ForgiveColour1 votes

So weak that she has 54% win rate for over a year regardless of the meta

Lmao gameplay mage mains

Bisaknosp2 votes

its because she counters vayne early xd

Dengeden2 votes

There is always an ADC with a high pickrate~~~~~~~

ValyrianBlade1 votes

A 30% pick rate means NOTHING for an adc.

There are only 18 of them - of which several are dumpstered (e.g. kalista). We went through something near 1/3 season with both ezreal and Lucian at over 40% pick rates (hitting 50%) - for adcs that's where you get concerned.

If you have an average 10% pick rate among the other 17 adcs (a perfectly reasonable number) that leaves 30% for her (need 200% total since 2 per game).

I don't remember a time since i started checking this stuff in late s4 that there wasn't an adc with over a 30% pick rate.

Also - in the win rate - with so few adcs (and their similar playstyles ) there isn't the same argument on inexperience. First - most probably played her in the past because there are so few options, and second even if they haven't as long as there isn't a hugely unique point (ezreal skillshots for example) adcs are really easy to learn for an adc main.

Maligaro Spike1 votes

Caitlyn she's mostly stronger because she received 0 nerfs since ADC reworks but only buffs, i'd say her kit is fine but the traps are what makes her frustrating to play against, one change for starter is making them MUCH more visible in bushes and behind towers since they are basically invisible there unless you know she placed there beforehand

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