PSA: Highest win rate build does NOT mean you should build it every game

Eedat··40 votes·3,545 views

Going to use Irelia just as an example but this applies to lots of champs.

http://champion.gg/champion/Irelia

Most frequent: item 3078 -> item 3047 -> item 3742

Highest win rate: item 3078 -> item 3111 -> item 3153

Does this mean you should build item 3153 second item on Irelia every time? NO. You ever think that the Irelia player built BotRK second because they were already very far ahead? And maybe the fact that people only use this build when they are already very far ahead is why it has a higher winrate?

So if you're 0/2 in lane should you build item 3153 second because the win rate?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Should you build item 3074 into item 3153 on Aatrox if you dced the first 5 minutes of the game?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Should you build item 3285 into item 3089 on Annie after dying multiple times in lane?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ffs, please use some common sense in your builds. You know what? It might make sense to build a item 3143 on an ADC third item if you're 1/6/2 and just keep getting instagibbed by a fed enemy assassin. Enemy team has a Soraka? Maybe try picking up one of these item 3123! Guess what? It applies on ALL physical damage and isnt just limited to ADCs.

So tired of people feeding then building pure glass cannon anyway and expecting not to get ruined when they show back up to lane. Common sense people. Use it.

30 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch17 votes

one time i had a kalista that built item 3075 and item 3143 both items. to survive a fed master yi and we probably won game because of that

Tobias Brackner1 votes

This.

People gotta use common sense when making their builds.

IPromiseTomorrow9 votes

For me I hate building tanky on an ADC. Give that kalista props. Building tanky is a huge letdown for an ADC.

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

I only hate doing it even if it's the right choice because then I get flammed for it.

Arthimetes1 votes

Yeah Ive done frozen heart and zhonyas both on mages before and laughed at the assassins raging in all chat about how I should be dead when they have next to no armor pen

Marshbouy1 votes

That's amazing

Kingdom Corn1 votes

Once i played against a vayne with item 3075 .... was really cute I still one shotted her on rengar. It is not always a good idea to do that js.

Der Stechschritt9 votes

My favorite example of this was I had a Maokai vs a Swain top. The tree rushed Banner of Command and, when Swain hit 6, bought an Executioner's Calling. He made that Swain bend over and give into the power of nature

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

I remember rushing a Spectre's Cowl against a Leblanc as Veigar to prevent her from murdering me and snowballing and she only ever got one kill on me outside of team fights.

There was another time that I built Frozen Heart as my fourth or fifth item on Vel'Koz because I wanted some durability (This was before the rework) and CDR and it ended up winning us the game because we lost a running teamfight at Baron and I was running away as the only survivor and got ulted by the enemy WW but because of the armor and attack speed slow he couldn't finish me off so I was able to survive and get back to base and when they pushed for the win with their 4 remaining players (Who were at medium or low health) I used my ult to kill two of them (It was back up already thanks to the CDR) and comboed a third and the fourth ran off. We were able to close out the game right after that.

Never underestimate having a defensive item.

Dreadlocks2 votes

Thats why you should climb higher so you can separate urself from these kinds of players..

Supreme Senpai699 votes

It's hard to climb higher with these kinds of players. Probably why he made the thread.

Dreadlocks1 votes

Sounds to me like sm1 is asking to be carried.. The entire point of having different ranks is to separate the players based on their knowledge of the game. If he knows more than the players he is playing with then he should climb.

Spaceman5pff4 votes

Take it for what it is worth, but I find myself winning more games in Rocket League (including scoring more overall) after my roomates brother played on my xbox and brought me from prospect 3 to challenger 1 (Bronze -> Gold equivalent roughly). I honestly think that many people to get trapped in a net of Trolls / tilted monsters (this applies to any ranked ladder imo) and getting nudged just a little bit out of there can help them really develop into the player they are.

Am I saying boosting is ok? no. I'm actually kinda pissed at my roomate's brother bc I wanted to earn that rank myself. But hey, live and learn.

Supreme Senpai697 votes

He should climb. And will climb. It's just not instant, and with these kinds of players, it takes longer than usual. Stop trying to flaunt your rank around and pretend everybody who isn't challenger is bad at the game.

Dreadlocks1 votes

Most people who are below D2 are pretty bad at the game.. Me included.. i have a lot to learn, but im not posting on websites about how its my teams fault because they build poorly.

jaymc11301 votes

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He should climb. And will climb. It's just not instant, and with these kinds of players, it takes longer than usual. Stop trying to flaunt your rank around and pretend everybody who isn't challenger is bad at the game.

You ever watched challenger players play? On stream? Ever been lucky enough to play with some as I have on plenty of occasions? Ever seen any pro play? Ever played with any?

Everyone sucks at this game brah.

There are like 15 total good players in the whole entire world. The rest of us all suck to some degree or another mate. Just being real. Take it from a former Master Tier player who regularly feeds silver level competition, we all suck at this game.

Eedat1 votes

No, I'm not having any trouble climbing. I just find it funny that my MMR is high gold yet you still find these players copy and pasting their mobafire builds every single game

Eedat1 votes

I am climbing lol. Feel to use the website of choice to check my W-L

Dreadlocks1 votes

Then whats ur issue? loool

Eedat1 votes

because my MMR is high gold yet people still copy and paste moba fire builds every game lol

Dreadlocks1 votes

That'll probably never change lol.

Arthimetes2 votes

I look at highest winrate builds as training wheels, something like "If you're new to this champ try this" Then when you get more experienced you start to realize what other items are better in certain situations and suddently you look down and realize the training wheels are off and fall over.

Or is that just me?

Dealth1 votes

its just you

NotCounter1 votes

builds are pretty common sense if you understand your champion, understand the items, and understand the situation you're in but people don't really seem to understand some combination of those... because i see adcs rushing flat armor pen vs 3 tanks stacking armor because they saw a video of someone pwning with youmuus/duskblade, and then you have mages who are still rushing athenes because they cant think beyond what's on the recommended page

Teh Song1 votes

I'll be honest, when I used to play this game before, I picked but 6 items per champion that I always built. I tried to do that again coming back to the game, but it's harder to narrow down the choices now.

Dealth1 votes

Everyone knows this

Darkslayer851 votes

Bump.

Aptest1 votes

{quoted}

Going to use Irelia just as an example but this applies to lots of champs.

http://champion.gg/champion/Irelia

Most frequent: item 3078 -> item 3047 -> item 3742

Highest win rate: item 3078 -> item 3111 -> item 3153

Does this mean you should build item 3153 second item on Irelia every time? NO. You ever think that the Irelia player built BotRK second because they were already very far ahead? And maybe the fact that people only use this build when they are already very far ahead is why it has a higher winrate?...

If the good Irelia players only build botrk when they are already winning hard, and bad irelia players copy this build and build it all the time, and lose because of bad build, the win rate for the botrk build path must correct downwards. therefore it no longer appears as highest win rate build.

therefore highest win rate build must also work to reasonable extent in enough situations where you argue it is a losing build.

discuss

Eedat1 votes

Champion.gg only uses stats from platinum and higher players. At this ELO people are less likely to give in to the noob trap.

Bronze, silver, and gold take the bait and copy and paste the build. Their losses aren't counted in the data

Aptest1 votes

ah. i see.

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