Annie shouldn't hold tibbers when she doesn't have it.

Tentakill Myself·Sep 20, 2015·208 votes·5,698 views

Just like Blitz and Ekko, we should at least know when we can / can not get blown up.

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Whimsy SpookSep 20, 201542 votes

But then she would be asking us if we've seen her bear tibbe---

MeesterMooSep 20, 20155 votes

I smiled

Prospector PeteSep 20, 201527 votes

That would be nice. Now I wouldn't have to worry about being annihilated out of nowhere because Annie's ult cooldown is ridiculously shorter than I thought.

Bouffon dAnglaisSep 20, 201518 votes

its fucking ridiculous with 40% CDR it's 3 second downtime (48 sec cd, 45 sec to control tibbers)

5000000000000000Sep 20, 20156 votes

You can practically have Tibbers out permanently, but you can't use it for stun constantly. Annie holding Tibbers is a bigger that than Annie with Tibbers out.

Kat HeadSep 20, 201517 votes

Pretty decent idea, but its crazy how many people do not respect the little white swirls annie has on her when her stun is ready. I dunno if those people would notice her teddy bear either.

DevourerSep 20, 201511 votes

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Pretty decent idea, but its crazy how many people do not respect the little white swirls annie has on her when her stun is ready. I dunno if those people would notice her teddy bear either.

If they're smart they hold E and ult to surprise stun as you can only see the swirl or any indication when its at the stun.

Kat HeadSep 20, 20152 votes

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If they're smart they hold E and ult to surprise stun as you can only see the swirl or any indication when its at the stun.

Most people that have played against annie much (in lane anyway) will be able to keep a accurate count of her spells used and know when her passive is one spell away. After lane phase is where e tibbers is scary.

Professor WardSep 20, 20151 votes

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Pretty decent idea, but its crazy how many people do not respect the little white swirls annie has on her when her stun is ready. I dunno if those people would notice her teddy bear either.

took me way past level 30 to notice this,until i played her actually. It amazes me the skill ceiling and lack of tips this game has, i mean besides studying all 100+ champs before you start playing. Which is equal to a law degree.

Kat HeadSep 20, 20152 votes

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took me way past level 30 to notice this,until i played her actually. It amazes me the skill ceiling and lack of tips this game has, i mean besides studying all 100+ champs before you start playing. Which is equal to a law degree.

It is in the tips section for Annie, but yes there is a ton to learn for new players to this game.

LordOShadeSep 20, 20151 votes

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took me way past level 30 to notice this,until i played her actually. It amazes me the skill ceiling and lack of tips this game has, i mean besides studying all 100+ champs before you start playing. Which is equal to a law degree.

And how is it that Dota gets a bad rep for having you do this same exact thing?

the Anarchit3chtSep 20, 20151 votes

That's not what gives DOTA a bad rep. DOTA gives DOTA a bad rep. The game is just absolute garbage. And I'm not saying this as an LoL fanboy, because even LoL is going down hill. DOTA didn't nearly mix in enough innovation with it--which i get, they wanted to bring DOTA back from War3, but the potential they have with it is much stronger than the potential War3 map maker did.

LordOShadeSep 21, 20152 votes

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That's not what gives DOTA a bad rep. DOTA gives DOTA a bad rep. The game is just absolute garbage. And I'm not saying this as an LoL fanboy, because even LoL is going down hill. DOTA didn't nearly mix in enough innovation with it--which i get, they wanted to bring DOTA back from War3, but the potential they have with it is much stronger than the potential War3 map maker did.

Not enough innovation? What exactly were you hoping for when Valve said they were going to revive Dota? There are tons of items in Dota, 137, which are unique in how they are used and are equally viable for each hero. This is compared to the apparently 130 items in LOL, which some are upgrades for certain things (e.g. muramana -> manamune, archangle staff -> serph's embrace, Gangplank's upgrade items, Kalista's black spear, as well as some items no longer implemented).

Different abilites? I cannot think of any hero in Dota whose abilites are similar. In LOL...well Vayne, Gnar, Ekko, and even Kindred suffer from 3-hit syndrome.

Different map structure? Unless they wanted to drive away old DOTA players, they went with the old map and gave it a few upgrades.

What is it that you wanted them to do? There hero's have unique identities, the meta for Dota is flexible allowing for things like tri lanes, solo top lane, solo bot lane, jungle and other lane match ups, the items are all viable and can work some how with each hero, and the customization of the experience is pretty decent in the fact that you can customize the HUD, the announcer for basic game interactions and killing spree, as well as different couriers... I cannot take your post seriously since you do not list any problems with the game... All you say is that the game is just absolute garbage and then don't give any reasons why.

the Anarchit3chtSep 21, 20151 votes

I gave you a reason, a lack of innovation. I will admit that they do mostly everything better than League does, but they need more of their own originality. I get it though, it is a fanservice game to old DOTA fans. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not my cup of tea.

LordOShadeSep 22, 20151 votes

And like I said...what innovation are you looking for? You put down innovation and then give no examples...Either give examples or admit that there isn't any way to innovate...I gave you examples of innovation (e.g. the different items, the different abilities, the different metas) but you still say it has a lack of innovation.

Instead of saying something vague like "innovation" give the board and me examples of the innovations you feel Dota is lacking.

Chromatic EagleSep 20, 20151 votes

They could make it more noticeable. Wait, when does Blitz tell you he has ult ready? Not entirely sure why Ekko's double means he has his ult up, when I keep thinking it's his W off cooldown.

i like pie mmmSep 21, 20151 votes

it's ok most of the time that's not what you care about when playing vs blitz anyway.

aaronautumnSep 20, 201510 votes

it also makes thematic sense that she would throw him and no longer have him.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 20, 201521 votes

If only she threw him... Right now she just kinda summons him from hell.

IcyPepperSep 20, 20159 votes

To be fair, in that same cinematic Katarina had broken cooldowns and Tryndamere was able to block an autoattack.

Plus Twisted Fate was using autoattacks on crows.

5000000000000000Sep 20, 20152 votes

The TF part kinda makes sense if we assume it's ADC TF vs support Fiddlesticks.

IcyPepperSep 20, 20151 votes

But...

how do you hit the crows? D:

5000000000000000Sep 20, 20151 votes

Coded as minions

Yosuke ApperuSep 21, 20151 votes

Just like anivia wall and base gates XD Probably also wind wall

5000000000000000Sep 21, 20151 votes

Wind wall is actually coded as a skillshot. That's why wind wall can destroy the enemy wind wall.

Yosuke ApperuSep 22, 20151 votes

or your minions kill there's hence why no gold :3

BergkSep 21, 20151 votes

And Tryn's undying rage has like a 10 second cooldown.

i like pie mmmSep 21, 20151 votes

one of the time's he only healed

TotalisSep 20, 20152 votes

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it also makes thematic sense that she would throw him and no longer have him.

well it actually wouldn't because we've talked about this so many times. The bear in her hand ≠ tibbers, the bear that appears when she ults.

aaronautumnSep 21, 20152 votes

u and whoever u talked to about this so many times should probably read her lore.

To this day she keeps her bear Tibbers by her side, often keeping him spellbound as a stuffed doll to be carried like a child's toy.

TotalisSep 21, 20151 votes

There have been many times when people on these boards have made posts about how when annie ults tibbers should disappear from the character model for the duration. And every time Riot has made a post saying that they are not going to do so because they're different. So I guess the reds are saying one thing and the lore says another. I would rather go with a red than a statement from the lore written 5 years ago.

Yosuke ApperuSep 21, 20151 votes

Unless it wasn't in your favor right? So really she should have two bears. Two when she has ult and one when ulti is on cd.

TotalisSep 21, 20151 votes

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Unless it wasn't in your favor right? So really she should have two bears. Two when she has ult and one when ulti is on cd.

Why stop at two? she should have a bear attached to each limb to represent that she has to use 4 spells to get a stun ready, and you'd have to be stupid to use tibbers without it.

Yosuke ApperuSep 22, 20151 votes

now you're just being a salty sir or ma'am

TotalisSep 22, 20152 votes

I... I was joking :( I thought it was funny :( why did I get downvoted :(

Yosuke ApperuSep 22, 20151 votes

have an upvote :3

TotalisSep 22, 20152 votes

<3 stay beautiful

Yosuke ApperuSep 22, 20151 votes

I'm a Taric main so ofcourse! :3

AuryielSep 20, 20157 votes

I honestly see no reason to make such a change.

What, you wanna know when GP has his ult up so you can fight 2v2 bot without him interfering?

You want to know when Orianna has her ult so you can step right next to her ball?

You want to know when you can dive Azir without him knocking you back?

Figure it out yourself.

For both Blitz and Ekko, you don't know when their ult is down SO YOU KNOW THEIR ULT IS DOWN. It's a byproduct of the fact that there's an effect attached to their ult that simply should not be there when it's down. AFAIK Shyvana is the only champion to tell you exactly when her ult is up and according to Riot it's because her ult CD is too unpredictable because of how heavily it can be modified by her AA'ing targets.

Tails DollSep 20, 20151 votes

It's because her ult seriously needs some counter play, and since riot wont give it a cast time, then this could be it.

AuryielSep 20, 20153 votes

That's not counterplay, that's literally just enabling people who can't respect a burst mage's zone of influence

For people who have a sense of how Annie works, this changes nothing. This suggestion can be summarized as : I'm bad, help me stay bad.

I'm not one to call other people bad at the game, but this is just it to me. This isn't anything like keeping buff timers or whatever. This is just having no idea how a specific champion works. It's no different than asking for every single champion to have a ''My ult is on CD'' particle.

Yosuke ApperuSep 22, 20151 votes

Alright fine, go fight an ekko that you don't know if he has ulti or not.. keep track of him so his now invisible shadow "useless i have ult particle" doesnt end up where you are and you get ulted by him. Bro it's just you not respecting ekko man, it's not op. He doesn't need that shadow you just have to get better! :D That's basically what you just said to Tails.

48983507DEL1Sep 20, 20151 votes

Honestly it just makes more thematic sense while adding a tad bit of counterplay to their kit.

I mean, if you threw your teddy bear into a bunch of people, wouldn't it make sense that you wouldn't have it anymore?

LadyRenlySep 20, 20152 votes

Has it been stated that her stuffed bear=Tibbers? I thought Annie met Tibbers and was able to make it her thrall. But her stuffed bear could just be a random girls toy because, you know, she's a girl

AuryielSep 20, 20151 votes

If you read her lore it says the she ensorcelled a magical bear (Tibbers) and that she transformed it into a toy that she now carries around. So, yes, her stuffed bear is Tibbers.

You can also watch the cinematic A Twist of Fate where you can clearly see Annie throwing her toy and it transforms into Tibbers.

i like pie mmmSep 21, 20151 votes

actually what you see is annie missing her ult and tibbers accidentally aggroing the baron and for some reason both teams fight for it.

AuryielSep 21, 20151 votes

Report Annie for unskilled? XD

ImNLuvWitATeemoSep 20, 20152 votes

her dance and theme is set up around her always carrying tibbers.... they would have to redesign her skins and laugh/dance/etc to do that.... and as someone who owns annie skins it would be disappointing because a huge part of her aesthetic is the bear she carries around

if they were to add something to show her ult is up it should definitely not be taking away her bear.... maybe something else

UltraSceptileSep 20, 20153 votes

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her dance and theme is set up around her always carrying tibbers.... they would have to redesign her skins and laugh/dance/etc to do that.... and as someone who owns annie skins it would be disappointing because a huge part of her aesthetic is the bear she carries around

if they were to add something to show her ult is up it should definitely not be taking away her bear.... maybe something else

Oh wait, I have a better idea.

Delete her.

ImNLuvWitATeemoSep 20, 201518 votes

how constructive