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@Riot, when are you guys going to actually fix Kalista

Lugg··2 votes·596 views

Kalista is hands down the most broken champion in the game. She is so bad right now that she actually needs nerfs and a rework.

First off, infinite stacking. Honestly, what sane person thinks this is balanced? Second, the mobility. It is mostly luck not skill if you ever hit her with a skill shot. She is light years ahead of any other champion in the game when it comes to kiting. I wouldn't mind that so much if it wasn't for her insane damage output for someone you can't catch or run away from. As she is right now, you could literally reduce her damage 50% and she would still be viable. Do you guys have a contest going to see how broken and toxic you can actually make a champion or what? Third, the ultimate. With certain supports, there is almost no way to beat her in a 2v2 once she hits 6. It allows her to save her support from death if you make a great play to get a kill. It also allows her to have great initiation for fights. It turns any support into Malphite.

Why even have a balance team when stuff like this happens?

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TDubH3 votes

Oh yes, we're talking about that champion you know the one who has the low AA range oh yes and the lowest AA speed initially Oh yes god forbid that she has to choose between a late-game and early-game build paths and be restricted to it for the majority of the game Oh save us from the champion who you can DECREASE the mobility of using ITEMS item 3143 item 3110 that also DECREASES her damage Oh yeah that infinite stacking thing, that umm, that only last for 5 seconds, i mean its like Riot only made her to be the best, its totally unreal that there are 3 other champions who gain PERMANENT stacking bonus's like Health, damage, and AP. Oh and its totally unreal that we have to GUESS where a champion is going to go, i mean how can supports support when they have to GUESS where the champion is going!!! NO ONE HAS EVER HAD TO DO THAT IN THE HISTORY OF REAGEU! oh save us from the fact the ANY champion can combo well with ANOTHER champion; that maybe 1.5 abilities of a champion are COMPLETELY reliant on someone being able to adjust and reanalyze a situation in 2 seconds after being forcibly moved from their original person. OH and that ultimate of hers It does all the 0 damage of the world; too strong! There i've just reversed everything you did: you made her sound too strong, i make her sound weak.

Lugg2 votes

Low AA? Only Varius, Ashe, and Cait have longer range. FAIL Attack speed is average for ADCs. FAIL Early or late game builds? That is ALWAYS a joke. Anyone with half a brain knows you build early, get fed, and then you have plenty of gold to switch to late game. FAIL Randuin's Omen slows MS of NEARBY enemies. So you have to get close to take advantage. GL with that. FAIL All armor items affect all ADCs. FAIL Yes, other champions do have stacking bonuses. But theirs take about 100 times longer to stack. FAIL In competitive play, you can do this thing know as communication. It allows you to coordinate with your support on who to take with Kalista. FAIL Ultimate that is weak due to zero damage? I guess Alistar, Bard, Mundo, Janna, Kayle, Lulu, Maokai, Olaf, Rek'Sai, Shen, Sivir, Tryndamer, TF, Urgot, and Zilean all have zero damage so they are weak as well. Heck, some champions don't even have ultimates and do fine. FAIL

So, yes you can make someone sound weak if you make up stuff. I presented facts, you presented stuff that comes out of the south end of a north facing bull. Sell crazy somewhere else, no one is buying it here.

Actually I should thank you for showing that Kalista really doesn't have any real weaknesses.

TDubH2 votes

Umm, the fact remains that she DOES have a low AA for a reason, i wasn't saying it was LESS than all, i was just saying it was LOW...

Initial Attack speed IS lower than the average.

Yes, your early build, how about you get shut-down, that early build is USELESS... anyways getting fed is NOT reliable to base a champion around.

You are a moron if you think i was talking about the MS slow I was talking about the AS slow ON-HIT, and kalista's short AA range puts her in RANGE of frozen heart for a total -35% AS which A: reduces her DPS B: reduces her mobility All armor items affect ADCS, WELL NO FUCKING DUH, you missed the point; not all armor items affect ADC's equally.... Frozen heart? it has limited effect against; Corki Ezreal Lucian just to name three, because their kit is so spell heavy that it doesn't truly matter whether the target has an AS slow. But it is very effective against Twitch kalista Kog'maw (who is spell-heavy but ALSO AA heavy as ADCC) just to name three... Seriously your generalizing makes you seem like an idiot Sure other champions have longer stack times, but at least THEIR STACKS STAY. Oh yes competitive play; GOD FORBID THAT ADC AND SUPPORTS CAN SYCHRONIZE THEIR KITS... i just pointed out that Kalista can do MORE HARM than GOOD with her ult. Ultimate that is weak due to 0 damage, perhaps not the best way to put it; Ultimate that can only do a short-knock-up aside from pulling an ally in as to ultimates which give mobility: Mundo Olaf (recent buff though still on PBE) Rek'sai Shen Sivir TF Urgot which gives them MAP CONTROL and other benefits, as to an ult which can ONLY CC Or ultimates that PROTECT PEOPLE for EXTENDED PERIODS or MORE PEOPLE or HEAL Alistar Bard Janna Kayle Lulu Mao'kai Shen Tryndamere Zilean both of these two types of Utility based ultimates are STRONGER, and often more EFFECTIVE that a stupid "lets displace the support so he can go back in!"

The benefit of protecting the support from a bad situation is nice, especially if warding, but more often it is the ADC who needs protection. And yes, there are champions who don't have an ultimate because they have a unique kit that in the case of Udyr specializes him for situations; max Q = duelist Max W = Tank Max E = Utility Max R = Farm heavy or anti-group heavy, which makes him unique in his kit, he doesn't benefit from an ultimate because in terms of balance his ultimate would do almost NOTHING. Jayce Nidalee and Elise all have ultimates which decrease the CD between forms which is actually HIGHLY benificial. My point with these ultimates is that they are integral to those champions and have decent benefits and are balanced because other parts of the kit aren't as strong, Kalista's weakness is that she doesn't recieve a decent power-spike at six unlike all OTHER ADC'S Sivir: gains mobility Twitch: gains Damage and range Vayne: Damage mobility invisibility Ezreal: long range snipe Tristana: disengage button Ashe: Snipe/stun Caitlyn: literal snipe Corki: consistant Damage/snipe Kog'maw Consistant Damage/snipe/vision Jinx: execute/snipe Lucian: Barrage/range/damage MF: barrage/range/AoE/Damage Quinn: Mobility/damage/execute/aoe Varrus: Stun/snipe/damage/AoE/range And then you have kalista Kalista: Disables-support/Aoe/knock-up There is NO BONUS DAMAGE she DISABLES HER OWN SUPPORT and in return gets: a short AoE knockup.

Lugg1 votes

Once again, I have to point out that her auto attack range is average for an ADC and her attack speed is only SLIGHTLY slower than average.

Frozen Heart affects pretty much every ADC. Any champion in the game can be itemized against. So I don't see that as a weakness since it affects everyone.

As for the stacking, Kalista has great sustained DPS and Rend gives her insane burst as well. Champions are not supposed to have both. So definitely broken.

As for your complaints against her ultimate, you have to be joking. Knock ups are the BEST CC in the game since tenacity doesn't affect them at all and hers can affect a whole team. Try fighting a Kalista with a Malphite or Alistar support. You can't counter it at all since you will spend half the fight in the air. It doesn't disable her support, it either saves them or turns them into a weapon. Extremely strong. She doesn't need damage since she already has excellent damage as pointed out above.

TDubH1 votes

Yes, tenacity doesn't affect knock-up but unlike the alistar combo which is near instant Fate's call has a decent missile speed which is pretty obvious, No frozen Heart doesn't pretty much effect every ADC as mentioned above Lucian is only effected by the armor bonus from FH Corki is only effected by the armor bonus, my point is that Frozen heart is an incredibly effective weapon against kalista as to against a lot of ADC's where the only benefit from it is the armor, the ASR from FH reduces BOTH mobility and damage of Kalista as to reducing only damage of other ADC's

And i'm not complaining about her ultimate, i'm pointing out weaknesses; And you're wrong almost all adc's have a burst and sustain function in their kits twitch: E expunge is burst, R and Q create sustained damage Vayne: E Q and the W passive provide burst, her W also gives her SD Sivir: her ultimate gives her an AS steriod while Ricochet is active as well as her Q being bursty whilst she is an ADC and does sustained damage.

Lugg1 votes

Funny that I am getting down voted even though 90% of the community will agree that she is broken.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Probably because while people agree to some extent, you complain about too many different things, and no one actually agrees with all of the things that you complained about.

I hate her passive. I think it's one of the worst-designed things in the game, because it produces binary matchups (X champ beats her, Y champ can't do anything against her), and directly breaks Riot's "Counterplay" Design Value.

I don't really agree with your other points. She has infinite stacking but low damage. Her ult allows her to save her teammates or deal some strong CC, again she has relatively low damage, so a utility ult is fine.

Lugg1 votes

That is the entire point. She has so many strong points that it makes her unbalanced.

Agree with you on the passive.

I have to disagree with you on the low damage. She doesn't have the up front burst of other ADCs, but her sustained damage is very good. All she has to do is kite till you are 1/2 health and then rend. Bam, you are either dead or have to retreat and back.

The big point is that she desperately needs some changes.

Nameless Voice1 votes

My point was basically "get rid of her passive and she'd be fine."

Lugg1 votes

I agree with you, but I don't think Riot would ever do that because it's the core of her play style.

warpenguin5551 votes

well she is getting a nerf

Lugg1 votes

I'm pretty skeptical, the recent "nerfs" to most champions have been pretty much a joke.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

"First off, infinite stacking. Honestly, what sane person thinks this is balanced?"

The person who made the first spear do 30 dmg and every other do 8(more or less for both, I forget).

"Second, the mobility. It is mostly luck not skill if you ever hit her with a skill shot. She is light years ahead of any other champion in the game when it comes to kiting."

Duh. That's kind of the point of Kalista. Her passive MAKES her.

"Third, the ultimate. With certain supports, there is almost no way to beat her in a 2v2 once she hits 6. It allows her to save her support from death if you make a great play to get a kill. It also allows her to have great initiation for fights. It turns any support into Malphite."

Turns any support into Malphite, and means she doesn't get a global execute, AOE damage, or CC ultimate. Plus, it requires her support to actually be with her, and play right. Meaning, two good players, and not some crappy support who goes into a fight with 200 health, or a Kalista who pulls her ult at every possible chance.

"Why even have a balance team when stuff like this happens?"

Because she's completely balanced. She has to actually BUILD the damage before she's even close to good. Early game, she sucks, besides her tiny damage output that could probably lose to a Soraka 1v1 at level 1-3.

Lugg1 votes

{quoted}

Because she's completely balanced. She has to actually BUILD the damage before she's even close to good. Early game, she sucks, besides her tiny damage output that could probably lose to a Soraka 1v1 at level 1-3.

No reason to even argue with you after I have EASILY won the argument on how broken she is. Her early game doesn't suck, her mid game is godly, and her late game is ok. You are either trolling or a Kalista main. BTW, Soraka can beat pretty much any ADC 1v1 early.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

{quoted}

No reason to even argue with you after I have EASILY won the argument on how broken she is. Her early game doesn't suck, her mid game is godly, and her late game is ok. You are either trolling or a Kalista main. BTW, Soraka can beat pretty much any ADC 1v1 early.

Okay. Now, give me some proof. Statistics, maybe? Damage? What armor or magic resist would do to it? Base stats? Items additions? Anything. Seriously, you're saying you've "easily" won this argument, then countered what I said by saying "doesn't suck" "is godly" "is ok". Not even any stats. Not the tiniest thing.

Please, next time you make a "nerf champ plox" thread, please, at least give some stats so we don't think you're just a whining child.

Lugg1 votes

Read the reply I gave to the first poster. He listed the supposed "weaknesses" of Kalista and I totally refuted him. I could list stats, but people ignore them just as much as stating the obvious.

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