Vayne Condemn

LegitBacon66··1 votes·1,269 views

Laning against a vanye, can be quit difficult as when she trades with you, she can just freely pop you back so you can't poke, auto her more. She can also use condemn to avoid ganks fairly easy.

The main thing I want to say is that its really hard to avoid being condemned into a wall because no matter where you run you are bound to be close to a wall in bot lane. Its fairly difficult to avoid her condemn.

I don't want to say "lets nerf vayne" but I have no idea how one would tweak this.

8 Comments

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

Disagree. You can play in the middle of the lane. I zone vayne VERY hard with some champs. Her condemn isn't always up. Play around it.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

I'm not a great ADC so I can't say for sure, but her range is pretty short, right? I'd guess that you use your range to poke her first; champs like Vayne, Lucian, and Graves dash in unexpectedly to make sure they can get their attacks in, so I think you have to anticipate the dash to back off and get your trades in when it's down.

Ketchup252 votes

Her range is like 550 which is average, the reason she is called short ranged is because none of her abilities exceeds her basic attack range.

Nimba2 votes

I don't know about this. I play Vayne quite a bit and I'd say laning is by far the hardest part of the game, it's basically survival unless your support makes some LCSPROZHIGHLITZ plays for you.

Other than condemn she has no legit poke, her range is bad, if she uses it too much she can't use tumble as much because of mana cost and there's a lot of ways to not stand near a wall in lane. She gets trashed on already by just about every adc in lane, nerfing or tweaking condemn would be taking away her only already pretty weak form of peel.

straight4free1 votes

A good Jinx MissFortune Graves absolutely destroys Vayne, regardless of their support. As for Condemn, you have to learn to play a certain way when facing Vayne. Obviously it is impossible to completely avoid walls, they're everywhere, but when possible place the Vayne between you and the wall. If she wants to land the condemn stun she has to flash for it in that case.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Graves can kill Vayne, only if he lands his Ult and Q, he can't really 1v1 her.

BlkGolem1 votes

Silver bolts is obviously what makes Vayne powerful, but her condemn is good too, and I think there ought to be a few tweaks to it. My thoughts are a few things.

  1. Making it a skillshot would help make it so that she doesn't just have a free disengage (paired with her easy chase/re-engage) and while she has stuff to think about like ducking between people with q, dodging and focusing, most Vaynes do this well and it would help raising her skill floor a bit by making it a skillshot.
  2. I'm fine with the passive proc, makes sense, but then there is the way it stuns. I mean that she impales you against a wall with a bolt. Makes sense, but even if you are in great pain from said impalement, you really should be rooted and not stunned. This would mean that her e could be used effectively against melee champs who try to cut her in half because they have to get close and that allows her to position into a more favorable position by a wall. At the same time, it wouldn't give her the power to destroy adcs as much because they could still fight her. Condemn is made to be good disengage, and while it makes sense offensively, an adc with a stun that is actually not too unreliable is pretty darn good, especially with that sort of single target damage.
  3. Duration/hitbox. When you get condemned into a far away wall that you barely even touch and then just sit there stunned, it doesn't make sense, not to me. What I mean is that the less distance traveled before hitting the wall should make the root (stun) last longer, but if it barely proc'd, it should be shorter, as the bolt wouldn't carry the same power as if it was up closer. These changes would make her e make more sense anyway and help balance it better. Another solution would be to just make the knockback have shorter range, slightly, and the spell itself perhaps shorter range but i'm not a Vayne main so idk how plausible that is.

TLDR make Vayne E a skillshot, a root, and make the root time scale with how close to the wall the target actually was.

Also, make it so Yasuo can't ult the target that is impaled into a wall. Definitely NOT Airborne.

7ha7guy7771 votes

Morgana seems to be decent against Vayne. She can't get rid of black shield because vayne has no magic damage. Vayne's stealth doesn't stop morg's ult from finding her.

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