I mean, there's nothing new about him and Wolf isn't even involved in anything besides W?
I was kind of hoping that they'd actually capitalized on the 'dual champion' theme that you missed with 
, but Wolf feels like he's generally inconsequential
On the bright side, I think the premise is really cool; pushing an ADC into the jungle and offering up melee bot laners in place of them? Riot's at least doing a good job of trying to shake things up.
The Sword Saint37 votesLamb marks champions for death, wolf marks monsters. Lamb stops death with ult, wolf fortells doom with the slow and hp damage. Lamb does arrow rain, wolf does frenzy.
Big Lincoln15 votesThe duality theme is actually more prominent than I thought, but it still seems a little uninspired.
Their Q seems like it has the potential to be unique, but I think E should be replaced with something else. We don't need more % damage
NineTailedMystic4 votesQ is literally Ahri ult, but only with one dash.
Big Lincoln42 votesthen it's not an ahri ult, is it?
IcyPepper8 votesAt least not "literally."
If you're going to follow a "literally" comparison with "but," think carefully.
ItsJrodzYo4 votesThe % damage is physical though. It's not as oppressive as vayne's true damage because it can be countered with armor.
ihaveapotion8 votestheres armor in this game?
Ralanr1 votesYeah. It got nerfed.
CaptnJakSparrow5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Sword Saint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YHIgrNq7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-15T18:59:42.011+0000)
Lamb marks champions for death, wolf marks monsters. Lamb stops death with ult, wolf fortells doom with the slow and hp damage. Lamb does arrow rain, wolf does frenzy.
I don't think people noticed that each of them have 3 abilities.
Matezoide14 votesWolf is a glorified prop with a voice.
StoryDuck10 votesI also like the idea of a Marksman in the jungle. I think it is very cool. However, Kindred was played up as a duel champion as you said and I agree that they failed to capture that. W should be a huge part of the kit not something to boost Q like it seems to be.
AbrahamBaconham19 votes
= Duel champion
= Dual champion
Enflame1 votes
Cenobite Azaziel10 votes
is now bot lane!
Kindred is a Dc in the jungle!
Bard is a roaming support!
What's next? An AFK champion that buffs globally the team?
IcyPepper5 votes
>:D
Sinlaire10 votesAbathur. it's your time to shine baby.
Leetri3 votesMost logical. Proceed with upvote.
Boulderox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cenobite Azaziel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YHIgrNq7,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2015-09-15T22:43:05.163+0000)
What's next? An AFK champion that buffs globally the team?
old zilean used to already do that with his passive... before they gave it a radius (4.19)
MohawkBird1 votesKindred is a disconnected play in the jungle?
Zavern9 votesWolf just seems like a pet, not a friend. The passive, W, and Ultimate are neat, but both the Q and E are bland and uninspired. It kills me seeing some really cool champions not getting enough effort put into them.
Felvyne5 votesNot all skills can be original, some of them must be functional in order to make the champion work, i think. And I feel that Wolf is the "brainless" of the duo, so it's natural that Lamb comands.
AutoreactiveCD42 votesI'd argue that some skills need to be somewhat bland. If not you risk making a champion overloaded, broken or a pain in the ass to play against.
Jason the other3 votescough
cough
AutoreactiveCD45 votesWasn't going to say it out loud. But yes he was the inspiration for my opinion.
i like pie mmm1 votesthat's unfair since a lot of new mechanics are like that at all. Yasuo's windwall isn't broken it's the fact that he is a manaless champ that can use it whenever it's on cooldown like zed and katarina that makes him oppressive. If you put a mana cost on everything it tends to balance out a lot better. Look at Fizz/Ekko. If they play a skilled opponent they will have a lot of trouble since they have really bad early game
AutoreactiveCD41 votesI agree with most of what you say. Thing is, he has so many unique and, at the time, new mechanics. Ult extends crowd control, the way his shield works, unique crit interaction, unique mobility mechanic, first projectile blocking wall, etc. I'm not against any of these being implemented, but they put a lot of new or really unique things on this one champion.
I'm glad Riot wants to experiment and expand its horizons, but too much at once isn't the way to go I feel.
I GANK LANES1 votesyasuo is extremely well designed, boards are crazy
Jason the other1 votesIm not saying yasuo is op im just saying his skills are bland yet hes still very good
KatCraft1 votes[deleted]
AutoreactiveCD41 votesThe unique mechanic seems to be the hunt that increases damage. Also its a jungle marksmen. Some people may find it boring, but I personally enjoy getting simpler kits every now and then.
KatCraft2 votesBut does jungle marksmen embrace the theme of the champion? Not really.
I don't really think the kit itself is that bad, and jungle adc is kind of neat, but considering the potential they had with a dual character champion, you would expect something a bit more creative. Tahm devours people and transports allies, Ekko slows and saves himself with a time manipulation theme, these kits embraced the feel and identity of the champion. Kindred is lacking it.
AutoreactiveCD41 votesFair enough. Though I do feel the ult will appear more thematic when we know more. I get the feeling this is loll's grim reaper.
i like pie mmm2 votesthe ult is a jinx wet dream, every goes down to 10% health and she fires it off to hit at the end of the duration
AutoreactiveCD41 votesAlright so we have one vote for the theme of some kind of personification of death and one vote for the theme of jinx's arousal. Anyone else want to contribute/vote for their favorite?
KatCraft1 votesAnd I don't think making Wolf "brainless" and just a pet for Lamb was a good or necessary decision. I was hoping for more of a duel champion playstyle, such as a passive where switching between Wolf or Lamb changes the strengths and weaknesses of the kit, Wolf for offensive abilities and Lamb for defensive.
Honestly it wouldn't be that hard to implement and not any harder to balance than Gnar.
Felvyne1 votesHonestly, I was also hopping for a dual champion, but I won't complain because I like how Kindred is looking. But I hope that Riot tried it at first but didn't work. Maybe in future champions, in future concepts... Yin and Yang is still an open concept, dark and light...
Xeynid9 votesI think it makes sense that one of them is more "real", while the other is a ghostly presence that affects large areas.
MarshallBananna8 votesThe fanmade champ concept with the Ying/Yang (which kinda looks like kindred) was 10x better than this.
Pyrodinium10 votesHow so? That concept didn't even had a kit.
BuzzinTate1 votesI think he's saying art wise, because it did inspire me
RowanEnd6 votesI love the aesthetics but the kit seems a little... uncreative. And their ultimate is too similar to bards/an aoe tryndamere ult.
KatCraft8 votesIt's one of the few times a kit failed this hard to fit in thematically with the visual style of the champion. Azir was an example done right, a unique mechanic that fitted an emperor character, Instead of Kindred embracing dual characters to try and introduce a new gameplay style, turns out it's just lamb and her pet, like Quinn.
Felvyne4 votesActually, I feel that Lamb and Wolf are far more coordinated and are what Quinn and Valor should be.
Thief of Time3 votesThough they don't share equal skill usage I feel like wolf will talk equally as much in dialogue. Maybe even commanding lamb when its kill time
Kalarepa3 votesI like Kindred visual and voice, but his kit is just boring. I'm realy disappointed.
Silven2 votesYou know what's a lew down? Another three hit passive. I'm so bloody sick of those.
Big Lincoln1 votesactually it's an active
:^)
Hiemdol2 votesFor me the issue is that Wolf seems more like a pet rather than half of an inspired character. Don't get me wrong, I am super stoked for Kindred (name not withstanding). But Lamb certainly seem to be the boss, or at least the more prominent one in their relationship just looking at the kit which is where I was hoping for more. If we were getting a pet kit I would want a bit more in that regard, if we were getting a dual nature champ I would hope for more inter play. As it stands like I said this looks more on the pet side of things which doesn't fit what I would want out of a champion like this.
In the end though I still really want to play Kindred and can't wait to check out how they feel regardless of how well it fits my fantasy of this kind of character.
ihaveapotion2 votesyup, another humanoid, another archer, another dash, another steroid, only good thing about this champ is that i wont play it.
Xonra2 votesI was pretty bummed as well. It is basically just....here is an ADC, it jungles. I mean with minimal changes, it would just be a normal ADC.
Riot made it out like it would be something actually new and unique (that is what they said it would be after saying it wasn't a multi-form champion previously). The passive I guess is new, but there is little about the champion that is actually new and unique.
It just feels like a few other adcs squished together. I like the champion concept, but not the kit. It feels kind of bland.