I wonder when people are going to get off the "blame the jungler and support bandwagon"

AR URF·Aug 31, 2017·2 votes·301 views

The title is pretty straightforward. It's always the same in every losing game. If bot adc loses to the enemy adc, it's the supports fault. If mid and top loses, it's the junglers fault. And of course people use the familiar phrase "gg useless support" or "gg useless jungler" or "we lost because we didn't receive help"

If the jungler ganks mid and almost dies, but makes it out alive and the teammate mid decides "oh look low hp mid, I'm going to tower dive", then decides to dive and dies, they usually say something like "omg jungler you're useless" as some kind of justification for their death. Or they just spam ping ? 5 times.

12 Comments

DunkinNoobsAug 31, 20174 votes

I've switched to blaming the adc. They're usually the most braindead player on the team so blaming them is very often the correct call.

woodvsmurphAug 31, 20171 votes

At low/mid elo, this is generally true.

AR URFAug 31, 20171 votes

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I've switched to blaming the adc. They're usually the most braindead player on the team so blaming them is very often the correct call.

0/4 Draven "this support lol"

FatedSaviourAug 31, 20172 votes

sion support is being troll, so to prove my point, ima play full ap draven

fml bronze issues, glad im gone and can deal with silver issues

Mens Hair ClubAug 31, 20172 votes

when it stops being their fault

ReySolomonAug 31, 20171 votes

LOL, yeah the missing ping is so true.

SH AzykanAug 31, 20171 votes

When people learn how to accept that they are capable of making mistakes. and that they might not have had all the relevant information omg jungle why didnt you go in, "pings 3 second cd left on elise cocoon, or other important lead ability in the gank"

AR URFAug 31, 20172 votes

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When people learn how to accept that they are capable of making mistakes. and that they might not have had all the relevant information omg jungle why didnt you go in, "pings 3 second cd left on elise cocoon, or other important lead ability in the gank"

lol "omg jungle why didn't you go in" umm maybe because I just used my abilities and there's a thing called cooldown?

FatedSaviourAug 31, 20171 votes

im not gonna suicide just so it seems that im helping, u get caught out and i cant save u, ima try but ima not give them a double kill for you

woodvsmurphAug 31, 20171 votes

It all depends and goes both ways. Like if I play wrecklessly agro toplane and die to every gank when my champ can farm safely by tower, it's probably my fault. If I don't ward and shove out all game, it's my fault.

If I set up easy ganks/counter-ganks top and am camped for 20 min when I have a winning matchup early and am still winning or going even despite being denied cs, flash ganked on cd, roamed on by a fed enemy mid, and can't leave my tower to place a ward without it being instantly cleared and probably dying 1v2... it's probably jungle's fault. Because when you have a winning matchup - you gank for it. If they are being camped but holding their own, you counter-gank and get fed - shutting down 2 people for the price of 1. You gank NOW - not after doing 1 more camp (at which point the enemy may have ganked and killed or chunked out your laner from being able to back you up; or the wave may have bounced or the enemy toplaner backed). You gank NOw - you don't invade the enemy jungle to check for camps to steal - that is what you do AFTER you gank the lane and get the kill or force them back. This way you have backup from your laner when you do invade.

It goes both ways. I'm in gold. I've played everywhere from bronze 3 to gold 3, and I can safely say that despite maining top and support I am a better jungler than the majority of players at this elo. My mechanics are on-par with most but not good enough to climb. My macro (outside of being map blind in lane sometimes) is on a much higher level though. And this is perhaps the most frustrating thing of all. You regularly get junglers AND laners who don't realize they are repeatedly making the same horrible decisions which cost them fights, objectives, and ultimately the game. And even when you explain to them nicely, they either deny it and call you toxic and make fun of you for shotcalling or they are too naive to even understand that what they are doing is wrong and how a different decision would be much better.

Like the feeding adc solo pushing a side lane when baron or drag is up on the other side of the map. 1. Your team might be able to contest and/or steal it if you group - sometimes giving it away for a tower or 2 is better though. 2. When literally everyone (support janna/taric included) on the enemy team can 1v1 kill you as the adc, you don't blindly solo push the lane. It both gives the enemy free reign to 5v4 force towers elsewhere, and to run one person up... kill you... and either split-push for towers in 2 lanes or regroup and 5v4 again. If you aren't taking towers, it is in no way worth. 3. If you teamfought while your other lanes and/or jungle might have a crucial lead on their opponents, they can make up for the deficit you have as adc. Moreover, it means you might pick up some kills and assists to get you back in the game. After you WIN the teamfight, you might be able to solo farm a side lane under no threat or take an objective with your team. But of course people can't comprehend such logical ideas. And because it's not LCS or Challenger tier, they make fun of you for shotcalling stuff like that. Cuz logical and good calls only apply at high elo or something in their minds?...

x Royal Solo xAug 31, 20171 votes

It'll stop once you get to about Silver 3. Atleast thats when it stopped for me.

AR URFSep 1, 20171 votes

For the most part, but people just barely getting out of silver or high silver elo are generally nice because they feel good about getting to gold. People in gold I've heard are probably the biggest narcissists in the game because silver and bronze are picked on the most, so being gold suddenly gives them shit talking privileges or something.