Since riot claims they put so much effort into Aram over Treeline Why can a full ap Kaisa throw out her w over and over and over? I'm not asking you nerf the damage, I just want it to feel more punishing to miss, not "I missed them let me wait less than 10 seconds and try again"
Ahri Baka13 votesThey even buffed her on aram lmao
Jaspers12 votesSaw Kai'sa, ARAM and nerf and upvoted. You know Kai'sa for some reason has a damage increase of 12% in ARAM? So the poke reduction really doesn't affect her yet her main build in ARAM is Luden's first item?
That said, not sure why the ability has a 150% AD ratio as well as having 50% CDR when it hits a champ, that's in general. But unlikely to nerf their new cash printing machine. :P
CaptainAntiHeroz3 votesSaw Kai'sa, ARAM and nerf and upvoted. You know Kai'sa for some reason has a damage increase of 12% in ARAM? So the poke reduction really doesn't affect her yet her main build in ARAM is Luden's first item?
That said, not sure why the ability has a 150% AD ratio as well as having 50% CDR when it hits a champ, that's in general. But unlikely to nerf their new cash printing machine. :P
Yup
Vonyalo7 votesThey buffed khazix and zed in aram. They most likely don't play aram at all and just watch statistics (which is bots vs bots for the most part I guess). So don't expect well thought balance at all.
JackD4n13ls2 votesso much THIS!
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesIt's almost like buffs and nerfs need to be based on statistics and not some random guy's fucking feelings.
Smackledorb4 votestanks are a bigger problem because its auto win if the other team doesnt have one
CaptainAntiHeroz8 votestanks are a bigger problem because its auto win if the other team doesnt have one
true they really need to put more attention in the game mode before "It no longer meets our standards so we're going to scrap it" [sg-soraka]
Cind3rkick3 votesThis is so true, I played an ARAM game wherey team was:
Lux (me) Ori Ziggs Zed Janna
Incredible poke right?
Well the enemy azir, value and ashe definitely agreed. Mundo and Wukong however...
By late game mundo was 20/4 and we literally couldnt him
He just built full Mr and as long as wuking killed zed, he could just run us down and outtrade all r of us simply with his cleaver
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesTanks are a bigger problem because 
is still allowed to exist in ARAM.
Even in its nerfed state it's still beyond bullshit.
Posui Gart3 votesIt already punishes her for missing. If her W misses or hits a non-champion, she doesn't have her 50% cd refund. And its 14 base cd at max level. Also, in ARAM spells have -% damage if the distance is bigger than 1000 or something.
CaptainAntiHeroz5 votes[{quoted}](name=Posui Gart,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YGmUiwQY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-16T14:48:41.898+0000)
It already punishes her for missing. If her W misses or hits a non-champion, she doesn't have her 50% cd refund. And its 14 base cd at max level. Also, in ARAM spells have -% damage if the distance is bigger than 1000 or something.
all she has to do is build ap with cdr and then the cooldown becomes irrelevant because its so short plus hitting makes it even worse
Posui Gart4 votesHer W has 14 base cd, down to 7 if she hits, and deals 120 (+ 150% AD) (+ 60% AP) damage at max lvl Xerath Q has 5 base cd, deals 240 (+ 75% AP) damage at max lvl, and it hits everyone in line instead of first unit only
Hi im 125 votesyour calculations are missing her passive damage famalama
SociopathFriend3 votesThe stacking passive damage? Which requires either AAs or for you to be hit multiple times?
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesHer passive damage is largely negligible in this instance. At most she'll proc 3/5 stacks of it at once with just W. This means her allies have to have already procced two stacks for her to procc her passive with it.
CaptainAntiHeroz2 votesTo the utter confusion of the masses
Like im shit at kaisa normally but even i can play aram kaisa
Jaspers3 votesMy history with Kai'sa is 1 game on ARAM, finished 22/11/16, never played her before. She's just a bit silly overall.
CaptainAntiHeroz2 votesMy history with Kai'sa is 1 game on ARAM, finished 22/11/16, never played her before. She's just a bit silly overall.
exactly and if you have any hard cc to help her she just is insane and oppressive to play against
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesBecause 1 game isn't anything. If I go 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999/0 with Kalista first time and play her literally only one time, that's not a fucking statistic that matters. All I've proven is that it's theoretically possible to get 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 kills as Kalista.
1 game is a literally irrelevant statistic. 1 game means absolutely nothing. 1 game is absolutely nothing to the massive number of games in the rest of ARAM.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesFull AP Kai'sa is absolute garbage though? Like as soon as anyone on the enemy team has more than one item she loses, because all she has going for her is one ranged ability then.
And the thinly covered bullshit about keeping TT isn't really needed. There's a good reason it's being killed off - Nobody fucking plays the mode.
ibeturgood1 votesThat was Kai'sa? I thought it was an Ezreal ult
Summoner SpeII1 votessame with ezreal
enshine1 votesthere
HP Crookshanks1 votesRiot doesn't play ARAM and balances solely based on win rates. They probably have no idea about AP 
.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesThey do. They know it's absolute fucking garbage.
What the build "feels" like to play against is completely fucking irrelevant. Stats are the only fucking thing that matters for balance, not what 25 people in some corner of the internet think.
BronzeADClife1 votesmana regen needs to be nerfed for aram
is litteraly ago to item for everything and can keep it till lvl 18 with all the free exp you get and the passive mana regen for the map s there as well.
PermaJinxed1 votesI've been tinkering with the idea of making champions in ARAM receive a cost increase for casting the same spell multiple times in a row.
While this doesn't effect those that cycle spells(
and such, who goes oom anyways), it would effect the spam pokers quite a bit..... 
are notorious for holding back most of thier kit and spamming a single long range aoe poke skill.
Make them use thier other skills or the mana cost on that one goes up by 10-20% each time.
While cc (particularly aoe cc) is what wins ARAM, spam poke is what is the least fun to play into. Even with the damage nerfs, the spam poke will clear waves and shove an opposing team under thier turret for ages.
ArtumisPrime1 votesThis is an interesting idea, but how would you implement this without completely gutting champions like Cass and Corki?
Daddy Ants1 votesPoKE dAMaGe OvEr 1000 rAnGe is ReDuCeD bY 15%
Kai'Sa had her damage buffed by 12% iirc.