Blitz breaking shields in 1.14

CaptainAntiHeroz·Jul 9, 2019·39 votes·15,012 views

Really?????????????

ON HIS ULT THAT SILENCES????

sure, do extra damage to shields, but if he just removes shields off of champs with his large aoe SILENCING ult then how do you counterplay that? and dont give me that bs about "just dodge his hooks" like that is an easy option, sure sometimes, but now you cant even shield to save a hooked carry because that shield wont exist as soon as blitz ults, and the adc can't flash while silenced, they cant heal while silenced, they cant use ANY abilities, i just fail to see why a champ thats already difficult to play against and great at getting picks NEEDED to BREAK shields, it doesnt make sense, they got nerfed to last less time now they arent supposed to reduce damage at all? [sg-janna]

86 Comments

FëalnortJul 9, 201922 votes

pff Just dodge his hooks !

... sorry i couldn't resist.

More seriously, i think there is more to it. First of all, let's be serious : when a carry get grabbed, 99% of the case he is dead, with or without shield. The grab+Ult combo is already strong enough , so it doesn't make so much difference if it get buffed since you are 100% dead anyway :(.

I see this change becoming more usefull in a full teamfight versus, let's say, a karma to remove shield on multiple targets.

Either way, if you really want to try and save your adc now, you are gonna have to wait AFTER blitz ult to use your shield. Kind of suck i agree.

I also think there is more coming, and that those changes are not permanent/ sure 100% release. riot seems to experiment with shields and lot in PBE ( with renekton breaking them and now blitz), so let's see what this is about and wait final patch i guess.

Dead Anime DadJul 9, 20199 votes

I can only assume they are trying to get him to fill an anti enchanter niche down bot to deal with Janna and the likes.

Death by GlamourJul 9, 201911 votes

he already fills that role

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Blitzcrank/

Dead Anime DadJul 9, 20196 votes

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he already fills that role

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Blitzcrank/

Pretty much, yeah. But renekton got it as well and he's a top laner so it's all I can really figure. Riot really wants a shield buster when in reality it should probably just be on an item.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20193 votes

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Pretty much, yeah. But renekton got it as well and he's a top laner so it's all I can really figure. Riot really wants a shield buster when in reality it should probably just be on an item.

That's what irelia did initially when she got reworked.... Then they took that away... Now blitz counters botlaners in general and definitely ruins karma r+e, Janna, Morgana.... Riot really not thinking on this one imho

BackdoorPrincessJul 9, 20193 votes

The difference was Irelia's didn't make a whole lot of sense, if it's on an item yeah sure build that to fill a niche but irelia was already jumpy enough with enough sustained/burst that it didn't really make sense to also give her shieldbreaker as well

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20196 votes

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The difference was Irelia's didn't make a whole lot of sense, if it's on an item yeah sure build that to fill a niche but irelia was already jumpy enough with enough sustained/burst that it didn't really make sense to also give her shieldbreaker as well

Doesn't make sense on blitzcrank either

Romans VI XXIIIJul 9, 20193 votes

Lets be real, alot of things don't make sense. But thats not the reason they removed it off of Irelia, it was because Irelia needed to be nerfed and that was a good thing to remove.

kaijukittenJul 10, 20193 votes

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The difference was Irelia's didn't make a whole lot of sense, if it's on an item yeah sure build that to fill a niche but irelia was already jumpy enough with enough sustained/burst that it didn't really make sense to also give her shieldbreaker as well

Blitz is already hella strong, he needs no buffs. He definitely doesn't need a shieldbreak buff. Give it to a weaker champion, maybe help them be meta again.

LTK KoRoJul 9, 20192 votes

definitely ruins karma r+e, Janna, Morgana

all of these ruined game without any counterplay. Blitz change is just a counter to their cancer

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20192 votes

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all of these ruined game without any counterplay. Blitz change is just a counter to their cancer

Blitz already kills most enchanters anyway he doesn't need this shit change

LTK KoRoJul 9, 20192 votes

cool, he can kill some enchanters in lane. But you can't deny the fact that we have literally 0 counterplay to stuff like Karma R+E

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20191 votes

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cool, he can kill some enchanters in lane. But you can't deny the fact that we have literally 0 counterplay to stuff like Karma R+E

It's duration got nerfed like most other shields so literally just walk away for like 5 seconds and it goes away and she can't r+e again for a while and support karma isn't usually tanky so any high DPs or burst would kill her

LTK KoRoJul 9, 20192 votes

how im supposed to run away from someone who got a big speed boost for 2.5 secs?

support karma isn't usually tanky so any high DPs or burst would kill her

well the problem is that she gets a shield, so she isn't squishy for sure. With additional 200 dmg shield a lot of burst champs are unable to well... burst.

RagnaveilJul 9, 20192 votes

putting it on an item makes it worse btw. You'd have to heavily buff shields to compensate.

LeetriJul 10, 20192 votes

They should never put it on an item, that's the worst thing you could do. If literally everyone can break shields then they'd have to massively buff shields or champions that have shields because it's expected their shields will be worthless. And then you get those games where no one buys the item and now the shield champions are super oppressive. Sounds familiar? That's how the old stealth worked with pink wards. Stealth champions like Akali were balanced around their stealth being worthless because 75 gold could negate their biggest strength. And thus low elo, who don't buy wards, complained that stealth champions were OP. It's kinda the same situation with healing. Because of Grievous Wounds being so easy to get healing has to be way stronger.

KirikaJul 9, 20197 votes

R.I.P Janna Lulu Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except Pyke ) sona gets nerfed, leona gets nerfed to the ground and all shield supports wether its just for defense or for further strengthening a carry get nerfed indirectly. Again by the way.

Daddy AntsJul 9, 20199 votes

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R.I.P Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except ) sona gets nerfed, leona gets nerfed to the ground and all shield supports wether its just for defense or for further strengthening a carry get nerfed indirectly. Again by the way.

Shielding needed counterplay.

KirikaJul 9, 201914 votes

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Shielding needed counterplay.

For real? The shields fade, are weaker and most of them arent even big enough to block afull autoatack. What the fuck are you taling about???

BoltonatorJul 9, 20196 votes

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Shielding needed counterplay.

Press R to delete shield

Where is the counterplay to that?

LTK KoRoJul 9, 20192 votes

Janna Lulu Presses E to shield carry, carry proceeds to murder everyone with 500 range AAs

Where is the counterplay to that?

CaptainAntiHerozJul 10, 20191 votes

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Presses E to shield carry, carry proceeds to murder everyone with 500 range AAs

Where is the counterplay to that?

Neither of them have mobility why don't you focus the support then the ADC? It's not Yuumi you have the choice here

LTK KoRoJul 10, 20191 votes

before im able to finish any of these due to their self peel with skills like Janna R or Lulu W their ADC mauls me with 4 autoattacks and i die

Heos00Jul 11, 20191 votes

How often do you see an adc and a shield support carrying the entire game by themselves? You are over exaggerating, probably if you are bronze-silver-gold they can because of duos, but in full solo that is pretty rare since best meta picks are things like nautilus, pyke, lux, initiators etc.

I literally don't remember the last time i got hard fked botlane by an enchanter without any junglers-mid-top help.

And to be honest both type of champions (adcs and enchanters) feels so bad to play because of this damage > cc > dash to safety meta.

LTK KoRoJul 11, 20192 votes

probably the same time when i got carried by the Shojin rene/jax.

Problem is that in 95% of the cases (if not more) we don't lose a to a broken abuser, we're losing because enemies are better. And no one wants to admit that, so we go on boards and cry about unbalanced blitzcranks, enchanters, jaxes/renektons, WHATEVER

And to be honest both type of champions (adcs and enchanters) feels so bad to play because of this damage > cc > dash to safety meta.

i agree that adcs and enchanters can FEEL bad to play, but truth is that botlane is the most important lane in the game right now, and botlane difference decides games. Feeling bad have nothing to do with strength, and as a jungler i know it very well.

Heos00Jul 13, 20191 votes

To be honest, not really, it's only important because it's a bit easy and extremely worth it to snowball or abuse as mid-jungle with constant ganks. Almost every game that i play it's determined by anything but adc's, maybe the frustrating thing that people find about botlane is that, there are two people and if the another solo roles abuse them properly it becomes a total snowball. But whatever, these changes shouldn't be implemented since its a lazy try to "nerf" tamh kench instead of dealing with him and enchanters are nerfed so bad hence why the most played supports are catchers or bust supports

Daddy AntsJul 9, 20192 votes

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Press R to delete shield

Where is the counterplay to that?

Shield cooldown = 10 seconds

Blitzcrank R = 90 seconds early game.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20191 votes

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Shield cooldown = 10 seconds

Blitzcrank R = 90 seconds early game.

Bluf blitz stacks CDR, can build ap burst and has ultimate hunter available again doesn't need help

LTK KoRoJul 10, 20191 votes

enchanters stack CDR too, in late they'll have 5 sec CD on shields while Blitz have 40-50 CD on ult.

RavenbornJul 9, 20194 votes

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Shielding needed counterplay.

It did. But that's not the way, it's like what gravious wounds is to healing. A band-aid.

LTK KoRoJul 9, 20193 votes

R.I.P Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except )

imagine being so delusional that you can say it with a straight face, pyke got much more severe nerfs in his short lifespan than any enchanter support, but whatever, TWO CHAMPIONS being able to counter shields is suddenly a end of the game`

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20193 votes

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imagine being so delusional that you can say it with a straight face, pyke got much more severe nerfs in his short lifespan than any enchanter support, but whatever, TWO CHAMPIONS being able to counter shields is suddenly a end of the game`

Have you seen his buffs in 1.14? TWO CUTS FOR AN ASSIST ULT

Yets4240Jul 9, 20192 votes

plus increased the scaling by an utterly massive 220%

KirikaJul 10, 20192 votes

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imagine being so delusional that you can say it with a straight face, pyke got much more severe nerfs in his short lifespan than any enchanter support, but whatever, TWO CHAMPIONS being able to counter shields is suddenly a end of the game`

Pyke...nerfs? They just removed his waveclear to make clear: He is a support not a toplaner. But in fucking return they make his invisible escape even faster and buff the shit out of that already insane ultimate of his. nerfs my ass.

LTK KoRoJul 10, 20192 votes

i guess enchanters mains don't really understand that, but wave control is important for supports too. But yeah whatever, let's cry about pyke who's biggest strength is running away and killing people who have 30% hp, but let's ignore enchanters who make ADCs into 1 vs 5 machines

HahahahyenaJul 9, 20196 votes

as an enchanter support main i will say that blitz grabbing the adc or the support is already death, even if he can pop the shield or not blitz q e ult is already devastating and its already very rare to survive even with a support shield

this new mechanic (albeit stupid that it just outright deletes shield rather than doing additional damage to shields) is just a token teamfight buff that probably will never be the main reason to pick him unless very specific circumstances are in place like... protect the kogmaw comps? KogMaw Lulu Orianna Skarner Karma im just shooting guesses.

RagnaveilJul 9, 20194 votes

I mean, this is more than dealing with just enchanters. Case you forget, there are fighters in this meta with shields or buy steraks and are half as tanky as s6 tanks while pumping out high damage.

Ren's W having it is fine since its under the Rage condition (also just remove SoS and replace it with an actual bruiser item that isn't broken by default, that way he can't spam W 24/7 just like Jax smashes keyboards when pressing R)

Blitz on the other hand we'll see. They did update the hook hitbox a while back so its much easier to dodge, his movespeed on W went down but can be recasted, but at the end of the duration he's rooted, with the only way to unroot himself being his R. As much panic as this is causing, Riot's actually being careful with this.

ShadWoooJul 9, 20192 votes

I think Riot wanted to make anti-TK champion into toplane.

HahahahyenaJul 9, 20192 votes

that would be renekton post buffs

kaijukittenJul 10, 20191 votes

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I think Riot wanted to make anti-TK champion into toplane.

They're already hard nerfing Kench tho, so if that's the case, severely unneeded.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 10, 20191 votes

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They're already hard nerfing Kench tho, so if that's the case, severely unneeded.

Didn't Nerf his eat

Big Gulp op #BenchTheKench

KirikaJul 10, 20191 votes

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Didn't Nerf his eat

Big Gulp op #BenchTheKench

the eat in itself does not need the nerf. The hard nerf is: if you stun someone with the tongue you remove all stacks from the target. So no permastun+eat. Either stun OR eat. and you dont get stunned right after beeing eaten just to get stunned again (Ty 40%CDR)

PhearBunnyJul 9, 20192 votes

Meanwhile Leona: Still - the useless, easy to play, autofilled support pick.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20194 votes

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Meanwhile Leona: Still - the useless, easy to play, autofilled support pick.

We need a hashinshin loop of "buff leona " maybe riot will listen

PhearBunnyJul 9, 20193 votes

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We need a hashinshin loop of "buff leona " maybe riot will listen

shes honestly so bad. I have no idea how she hasnt gotten buffed, or put on the rework list. Its pretty simple to make her usable. Increase Zenith Blades missle speed by a small amount. Slap unstopable onto Zenith Blade. Rework her ultimate from a stun into a residual slow field(Like Anivas ult). Except instead of a glacial area, itd be a solar beam crashing down, dealing damage and slowing. Same use as anivias ult, just slap a fixed duration on it and a longer CD.

there you go, Leona is playable.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20194 votes

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shes honestly so bad. I have no idea how she hasnt gotten buffed, or put on the rework list. Its pretty simple to make her usable. Increase Zenith Blades missle speed by a small amount. Slap unstopable onto Zenith Blade. Rework her ultimate from a stun into a residual slow field(Like Anivas ult). Except instead of a glacial area, itd be a solar beam crashing down, dealing damage and slowing. Same use as anivias ult, just slap a fixed duration on it and a longer CD.

there you go, Leona is playable.

That's a Nerf hell no Leona is better as is

Hellmaximus1Jul 9, 20191 votes

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That's a Nerf hell no is better as is

Having her ulti gutted in exchange for having her gameplay fixed is a reasonable. Currently Leona suffers from being either TOO op or TOO weak which comes with a champion that has 3 froms of cc. granted she does deserve some minor buffs since other champions do what she does but aren't SOL if they make a bad engage(like naut)

CaptainAntiHerozJul 9, 20193 votes

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Having her ulti gutted in exchange for having her gameplay fixed is a reasonable. Currently Leona suffers from being either TOO op or TOO weak which comes with a champion that has 3 froms of cc. granted she does deserve some minor buffs since other champions do what she does but aren't SOL if they make a bad engage(like naut)

I play Leona rn and am fine her ult is good as is she just needs to not get cc'd out of her e as easily

PhearBunnyJul 10, 20191 votes