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@Riot - Banshee's Veil and Abyssal Sceptre

Oleandervine··3 votes·959 views

Riot - So your preemptive changes to Banshee's Veil and Abyssal Sceptre for the tank update is to swap the stats, but keep the passives the same. To me, this is utterly ridiculous.

It is more confusing to swap the item builds entirely, as people will be more inclined to run on memory and buy Banshee's Veil on tanks and Abyssal Sceptre on mages. It would therefore make more sense to leave the items as they are and just swap their passives.

That way, it's a shit ton less on you guys, as you won't have to completely revamp all of the recommended items and swap the two out on every mage and tank in existence. We would learn the new passive swaps a helluva lot easier than remembering that you swapped the items into each other roles entirely. So please, Leave Banshee's Veil as the HP/MR item and Abyssal Sceptre as the AP/MR item, for both player ease and so you don't have to waste the programming time changing the recommended item builds.

8 Comments

Sukishoo2 votes

You do realize both items (as well as the rest) are listed as "EXPERIMENTAL" and that there is still a bit of time before any of that ships in 7.9 (as their testing started in 7.8).

Oleandervine1 votes

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You do realize both items (as well as the rest) are listed as "EXPERIMENTAL" and that there is still a bit of time before any of that ships in 7.9 (as their testing started in 7.8).

Hence the post right now, when they can change it, than when it drops and changes are final.

Sukishoo1 votes

Final... Nothing is ever FINAL in League.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

the reason they swapped the stats instead of the passive is because the passives are the identity of the items.

Banshee's VEIL doesn't make sense as an AoE Magic amp. and Abyssal Scepter wouldn't make sense as a Spell Shield.

what they could do is swap the first part of the names and call them **Banshee's scepter **and Abyssal Veil.

Evenstar2 votes

The fact of the matter is, I think lots of people do not like the switch. So the reasoning behind the stat and passive swap was that Riot wanted to make Banshee's a powerful alternative for mages towards spells, thus the spell block. But it also stems from the fact that they do not want a defensive item to provide offensive power too.

To be honest though, I rather both items left untouched and the update team come up with new tank items that would supplement the full MR/AR build. As it stands now, Banshee's Veil and Abyssal Scepter are both situational items, WHICH IS GOOD. Because these two items are not dominating any classes. Other than that it really just makes no sense.

And it goes against Riot's hatred for a passive or in their book, a boring lane without interactions. Making Banshee's a must have due to its unique passive now is going to make mid lane slightly stale. Let's not forget mid and close range sustain AP damage dealers as well.

Oleandervine1 votes

Why was this downvoted? I'm asking that Riot not swap the stats on Banshee's and Abyssal when they go through the tank update. I'm asking that they swap the passives instead. It achieves the same purpose as swapping the stats alone, and makes it easier on everyone.

DeathBurst1 votes

I think that both situations are bad.

Taking the icon/name as reference:

  • If you swap passives, Mages/ADC who want the old Banshee passive will buy Banshee and get better stats than they intended but not get the passive which was the whole point of them getting it.
  • If you swap stat lines, Tanks will buy Banshee for the durability it provided and will get AP instead.

However, I agree with you that it "less bad" to swap passive than stat lines.

The best solution though would be to make two new items with new arts, even if it is temporary/placeholder art for some time, I think. Say, Abyssal Cross and Banshee's Scepter with a simple recolored icon.

Communist Toast1 votes

I thought it was kind of nice tbh. abyssal is still good for the brawler AP type builds for it's passive and health. and the banshee's is also a decent item for brawler APs with it's stats and passive

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