Jungle items

Shiroyashayami·Jun 9, 2019·3 votes·1,053 views

It is time to do something with jungle items Riot. They are made in a lazy way.

can stay but remove its copy and replace it with something unique. Almost nobody builds sunfire cape, because its not as helpful as other items.

change it so that it helps with clear in some way. Doesn't have to deal % dmg. For now its a copy of .

change its passive to something else, so that it helps with clear and isn't a copy of .

now, why only this one doesn't have a passive? Take some ad from it or cdr and give it something interesting (that isn't a copy of another item).

Riot, lets make this game more interesting and unique together.

11 Comments

Elite4RunnerJun 9, 20192 votes

So you're just going to create a post saying that what Riot has done is "lazy" and that they should do something "more interesting" ... but you have absolutely no suggestions for what they should do?

[zombie-brand-clap]

ShiroyashayamiJun 9, 20191 votes

Well. It is almost like I am not getting paid for it xd You want ideas? Why from me? I am not a Riot employee.

Ok. Want some ideas? They will be weird:

item 1416 - instead of % dmg you can add an unique passive that spawns 3 swords that hit 3 minions and then disappear. They will show up every 4th hit and can only appear and hit minions. Against champions it would just spawn 1 sword that would hit once and with delayed dmg for 30 ap on hit dmg. Riot would be able to balance it throught on hit dmg and attack speed manipulation.

item 1401 - should stay as it is, just remove sunfire and get some tanky item, for example an item that doesn't have cdr but gives armor and health. Its unique passive would be 30-220 shield that would be at the champion all the time, but whenever it gets down, it goes on cd for next 180 sec. Can be shorter if you hit your skillshots, which will have detection of Echo Ludens. So it would be kinda like Kleds mount but if you are good you can utilize it better. It would probably be used on top and support.

item 1402 - simply make it deal damage, AOE as a flow of ice, that would deal damage based on AP scaling. It would be like Echo Ludens, but it would look different and AOE damage would be aplied almost instantly, however it would be lower. I want this item to be more for farming and snowballing, than oneshoting. Something like an overflow of ice around minions hit by your spells.

item 1400 - anything would be good, but I would prefer something like an Aura that would strenghten your damage to minions, but it would be an active effect so that you would need to use it on some camps in order to utilize it better and some camps would need to be done without it. It would be kinda skillful this way.

ShiroyashayamiJun 9, 20191 votes

Or you can just have a copy of other items as your jungle items and be happy about that xd You are as lazy as Riot.

Elite4RunnerJun 9, 20192 votes

Why am I as lazy as Riot? You're the one that is making a post to criticize their decision without giving your own ideas.

Sure, you're not getting paid, but you're not expected to do the coding and balancing, nor would you take the criticism from anyone who thinks your work doesn't meet their expectations.

"I don't like what you're giving me. Make it better!" is not constructive criticism, ... THAT IS LAZY.

And you did give ideas now, and they aren't bad. I wouldn't say they are all great ideas, probably not all feasible, but they at least show creativity.

ShiroyashayamiJun 9, 20191 votes

Em. So what does it show when one item is almost the same as another item? Or when 4 items are almost the same as other 4 items? Doesn't it show laziness? I can be lazy coz I don't get paid. They are getting paid. In my work I have to fucking do shit without wasting any minute and I can't understand why is somebody paying them for a copy paste work. They are doing the same with new champions, they are copy paste as well, but we can't do anything about it. Maybe at least items can be saved from this. Look at how boring jungle is. We need something. Old camps were fun, but I don't think Riot wants to revert something like this, so at least I want to change some items. If I had huge expectations I would like jng camps to be reverted, but after so many years playing this game I don't have any expectations so I want the minimal thing that they can do.

Elite4RunnerJun 9, 20192 votes

Where I work, if I have the resources to copy work to improve efficiency while maintaining accuracy, and I don't do that, ... I don't know that I would get fired, but my boss would definitely wonder wtf I am doing wasting my time by "reinventing the wheel."

ShiroyashayamiJun 9, 20191 votes

Their job is specialised to be all about creativity. They simply shouldn't copy things like they do. They are designers. The name of this job tells you everything.

Also you don't need a lot of examples of their laziness to know how lazy they are. Just look at preseason changes, which were ... non-existant. In preseason they didn't change anything. This is the first preseason that was completely wasted.

Elite4RunnerJun 9, 20191 votes

Lol it's funny because I'm also a designer, but I'm not a game designer. I design electrical equipment, switchgears to be more specific. Being a designer isn't always about being unique. It often has more to do with working with what you're given in order to maintain function. You can't just throw something that looks / sounds cool into a game like this and expect that it's going to fall into place. They probably have tried out different ideas, and it is entirely possible that they fell short of their expectations. Have you noticed how often people complain about their changes? They can't do ANYTHING without half of the community getting frustrated.

ShiroyashayamiJun 9, 20191 votes

They can do something without half of the community getting frustrated. They did that with Shaco changes now, he didn't get insanely broken and those changes were ok for Shaco mains as well. They achieved that by listening to people that are Shaco otp like Pink Ward. Maybe they should do that more often. People would gladly help Riot by throwing ideas. Lately Shaco otp had a group discussion on Discord and talked about Shaco. Some of their ideas were simply good and balanced and some were weird and stupid. If Riot would talk with them more, they would make Shaco a really fun champion. Pink Ward said also that Shaco should have adaptive scaling and that might be a great idea to bring back AP Shaco.

Elite4RunnerJun 9, 20191 votes

That was exactly my point. People gave ideas!

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Yeah. Would be great if Riot listened to some ideas. For now they listened to ideas of 2 groups and only vaguely. At least I heard only of 2 examples and I play this game for like 6 years. That's a long time for a company. That's an exteremely long time for a person. Doing one thing for 6 years is something you usually do for a job. I would love them to have more interactions with their community and I want them to gather data in a better way. For now their data is "this champion has 54% winrate, its broken, nerfing doesn't solve this problem, lets rework and completely destroy this champion". Wouldn't it be great if they asked otp and mains of this character how to balance it and what is wrong with it? Not only they would agree on getting gutted but also they would give some viable options of gutting the character.

What Riot can do (they are a HUGE company, so yes they can) change patch rates to 3 weeks time (which is what pro players wanted, because its hard to prepare and learn every single patch, when they are too often. Then they can list champions that they think should be changed and show that to people (us). Gather famous players of those characters (they all know each other and its very simple to contact even you, if they wanted, they have your e-mail and Riot employees personally know a lot of those players) and talk with them in a civilized way to solve the problems. Then get it on pbe and test it like we always do. The changes come with a delay anyways (there are nerfs prepared for 2 patches ahead) so they would probably gain intel for no price at all and they would also save some time. Also patches would be bigger, because they would have 3 weeks to prepare proper patches with proper changes instead of 4 ad and some bullshit.