Super mobility. A shield(THAT SCALES OFF FUCKING AD). A dash. A steroid. An execute. A stun(which ultimately counts as a silence and a slow, being a stun is the ultimate form of CC, combing all forms)
Im not going to say shes OP, as I love fighting Rivens as malphite, knowing they play like idiot, and then shitting on them, talking super shit to them all game.
But dont dare say shes not overloaded.
InvalidGuest10 votesriven does not have sustain
she has extremely low health regeneration compared to other fighters
mtAkFzLsUS1 votesOkay. You're right. But then again, she doesn't need sustain being her kit is overloaded to hell and back.
BG hard ff203 votesAt least you need skill for riven, not like for akali/fizz. And yeah you take renekton you beat her in lane and she is indeed beyond useless .
mtAkFzLsUS2 votesRiven doesn't require skill. No champions require skill. Its just which are easier to use than others. Imo, Riven is on par with fizz. As its not hard to work riven's passive or Q. And her CDs are so short that it doesnt matter if you mess up.
Also, riven would only lose lane against renekton if riven attempts to be the aggressor. A riven can easily farm up and stay on par with everyone else, because a renekton is solid aoe damage, meaning if he gets on your case, he will push the lane, and riven is a very good turret farmer.
Zaghyr1 votesChampions don't require skill? What hole have you been living under? When i play Riven and beat another riven who is diamond, it's not cause of skill? I main Riven, and i have only lost to one other riven, not because of how easy she is to play (her base mechanics are fairly simple, but advanced tricks and combos are what make her so difficult and mechanically intensive), but because the other riven was simply better. Some champions are harder and DO require skill to be used at their best potential, and that is also why harder champs are sometimes high-risk, high-reward champs.
Also, i don't know if you've noticed but riven and renekton have just about the same amount of aoe. Riven's q,w, and r are all aoe, her only single target damage comes from her passive and basic attacks. Renekton has q,e (two dashes), and r, while his single target damage comes from his w, and basic attacks.
Zaghyr1 votesterrible excuse
ShinBlades5 votesgood thing one silence and she is garbage
DropFill2 votesgood thing one silence and she is garbage
This is true to every single AD caster in the game so. But this is not what truly happens
ShinBlades4 votesThis is true to every single AD caster in the game so. But this is not what truly happens
if she falls behind she is beyond useless
mtAkFzLsUS2 votesAs does most of the champions in the game? She doesn't fall off that hard compared to other champions either.
Zaghyr1 votesShe actually does fall off fairly hard if you fall too far behind. Even if you build armor pen, in the very late game, when everyone has full builds, you can't afford to build full damage, because you will be focused and killed. With riven, even if you get ahead, you need to maintain that lead and end the game quickly while you are still able to ignore building tanky, because late game you need tanky stats and she will lose damage because. then again you can just build glass cannon like most rivens out there, then die in half a second and bitch at your team, thats always an option.
mtAkFzLsUS1 votesYea, no she isn't. One silence shes like every other top laner who actually has CDs.
Nice try though.
The Fat Punisher4 votesHer mobility isn't that great, wall hopping is actually decently hard.
and if you combine the distance of all 4 of her gap closers... it's still not enough to get away from a Diana, Akali, Ammumu, ezreal.
Her stun is less than a second.
mtAkFzLsUS1 votesHer dash is also a 100% AD scaling shield with a short CD. Yea, all 4 of her gapclosers cant get away from one of those champions. But once one of those champs do catch her, wallah, riven is right back at hopping away. You forgot to take CD's into account. Now lets say a riven had half a brain (most dont), they can easily dodge every pull and such while escaping.
Zaghyr2 votesAre you intentionally forgetting to mention that her shield only lasts 1.5 seconds? You are only hurting yourself with your senseless whining because you are only mentioning the things about valor that you deem broken, rather than seeing why overall strengths and weaknesses of the ability. Short CD and 100% AD may seem strong, but that's ok because the drop off comes with the low base shield at max rank and extremely low shield duration. Besides, Punisher has it right when he said that her mobility isnt as OP as people think it is, when one lee dash equals all of riven's combined, and he has 2 of them, same with diana and akali. Not to mention that if a riven is going to run away, she's use all of her q's activation immediately to maximize the distance in the shortest possible time, then the ability will be on a moderate cooldown. Spacing out your q's while running is just inviting the enemy just to jump your ass
JustMyBassCannon4 votesEveryone and their cats, and their cat's pet, has shit enough bricks to build a brick-based replica of every major bridge in the history of everything ever over the fact that Riven's shield scales on AD.
Except for me and a handful of people who seem to be entirely okay with the idea.
Maybe it's because we're also aware of AP-based champions with significant damage potential and AP-scaled shields. Maybe it's because Riven's shield only scales on Bonus AD. Don't know, don't care, building my own city with these bricks; if anyone is deemed rational enough, they may enter.
mtAkFzLsUS2 votesYoure okay with the idea that Riven is the only AD champion in the game with an AD scaling shield that is also a dash on a short CD, allowing her to block most poke whilst dashing away?
JustMyBassCannon3 votesI did state that I am entirely okay with it.
The dash is fine, because Riven's main shtick is being a mobile fighter instead of a particularly tanky individual. The shield lasts less than 2 seconds, so it's more for negating a burst of damage than any persisting combat DPS. The CD is a bit low, but aside from jumping on top of people for less-than-a-second CC, she has no other defensive tools in her kit. It only scales on Bonus AD rather than Total, and the base is low to compensate.
Besides, it's not like she's the only melee with a "Get out of now-you-fucked-up" card. Lee Sin has a dash with a shield, admittedly not AD-scaled, but it shields his allies and has a really long range. Fizz has a dash that pops and dodges projectiles. Yasuo can Wind Wall and walk away. Yi can usually avoid getting sniped via Meditate after running faster than Hecarim on speed.
It's not like Riven's the only champion to have an ability with unique scaling design. Shyvana's Burnout scales only on Bonus AD, but deals Magic damage. Ezreal's Mystic Shot scales on total AD as well as AP, but deals only Physical damage (and is basically treated as an auto attack).
Lord Dusteon3 votes[{quoted}](name=Nuclear Blender,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEcEg5d4,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2014-12-30T22:14:39.300+0000)
Youre okay with the idea that Riven is the only AD champion in the game with an AD scaling shield that is also a dash on a short CD, allowing her to block most poke whilst dashing away?
You're okay with the idea that Garen is the only AD champion in the game with a high base, magic damage based on missing health execute ALONG with free bonus magic resistance and armor?
Guess what, listing only the unique parts of a kit doesn't make that champion overpowered.
If Riven is dashing away with her shield, she either walked up to you or wasted her Q's getting to you (and since a lot of her damage is tied into her Q auto Q auto Q auto, she wasted her damage), or was running for her life, in which case you probably needed some form of cc (hint, slows work pretty well on Riven still; not as great as on darius, but they still wreck her).
Kratos2632 votesNot only does she have everything, she actually gets rewarded by her passive for spamming her no cost skills what the hell kind of mechanic is that.
mtAkFzLsUS1 votesYes! Someone whos brain is functioning!
Zaghyr1 votesYou look pretty happy there! But it's probably because you have someone with you now who is also receiving downvotes.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesShe's also the only melee fighter who relies on basic attacks, but can't afford to build Attack Speed.
Truly Prideful2 votesShe's not really that hard to deal with, especially not anymore. A lot of tops at this point can either flat out beat her or just go even and her snowball doesn't get going. If she's not ahead or god forbid she gets behind, she's pretty useless to her team. You're blowing her shield way out of proportion.
Zaghyr2 votesits amazing how much people whine about not being able to beat riven when it is so simple