lulu needs to be nerfed more tbh

Athenes Lulu·May 3, 2017·5 votes·1,273 views

Lulu

Health lowered from 552.76 to 525

Help, Pix! (E) shield strength lowered from 80/120/160/200/240 to 70/105/140/175/210

If you think that's enough to nerf her actual power then I have bad news, those nerfs are just something that should have been done at the very start. Her main source of problem lies within her E enemy cast, that does so much damage on a support champion that you can't avoid, which is something most supports don't have on top of having insane amounts of utility on the same champion.

23 Comments

RavenhaleMay 3, 20175 votes

I saw that and wondered why are we nerfing her shield when her damage was the primary complaint...

Athenes LuluMay 3, 20174 votes

I do think her shield deserves some kind of nerf considering on how much you can do with it, but the e enemy casts damage is the main problem here.

Though I don't have too high of expectations of Riot anyways since we all know they don't tackle the main problem, but instead tries too hard by going around, and then screws other stuff up.

LwntMay 4, 20171 votes

Wow, there something I agree with you with. That is Riot logic when it comes to nerfing lulu. People in forum complain about Z than riot goes on to nerf X. Then a week later another nerf but on Y. People still complaining about the Z and Riot goes on and nerf Z. Then they go she is now balance. Then you have Lulu mains going WTF??? I saw this twice happened to lulu. I can see this being the third one.

LwntMay 4, 20172 votes

You are a really annoying person. I have been playing this game for a while and everytime lulu gets nerf you always in the forum to cheer them on and then say she needs to be nerfed way more. With your logic for you to be happy her only two damaging abilities needs to be 0 and have 1 HP as her health bar. You probably then considered that balance.

Athenes LuluMay 4, 20171 votes

Because Lulu was never shit to begin with? I have been maining Lulu since season 3 and can see that quite clearly, with the exception of the Lulu mid/top meta where her supporting was simply a worse version of her solo lane counterparts.

She can do Janna levels of damage and can still be viable, if it's her shields, buffs, and saves that we want to keep.

LwntMay 4, 20172 votes

You are saying the shield is what we want but yet you are supporting their idea which is nerfing the shield strength. You do not make any sense. You know this nerf hurts support lulu more then solo lulu.

Athenes LuluMay 4, 20171 votes

"We" doesn't necessarily mean "I" want to keep them, it's a nicer way of saying "you guys" want to keep such shields. I can have her shield power nerfed, and she would still be playable because of how much utility she would still have.

The shield values should have been the nerfed version since release, because of how much power it can do. No, it's not just a shield, it triples as a positioning tool to land more poke, an autoattack steroid that won't go away even if the shield is broken, and even doubles as a point-and-click damage spell slapped onto one ability. Basically, it does THREE additional things other than "just a shield". Janna's shield has a higher base power because it only does ONE additional thing: give AD. The bonus AD goes away when the shield breaks. Karma and Ivern, on the other hand, have the nerfed values as base shields. Karma's shield ability can potentially do TWO additional things: give off movement speed and can be potentially casted on more than one person. Ivern's shield also can potentially do TWO additional things as well: release a burst of damage and slow surrounding enemies. If that's the case, Lulu's shield base power have been nerfed since release if that is going to be the comparison.

It's not that someone who mains a said champ is allowed to say he/she is overpowered, right? It's totally not okay for some X champ main to say X is overpowered and should get nerfed!

Fed by Snu SnuMay 4, 20171 votes

Lulu should have the slow removed from her Q.

She literally has 4/4 skills with utility in them.

Meep ManMay 4, 20174 votes

She's a Support

Fed by Snu SnuMay 4, 20171 votes

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She's a Support

And? Not all supports have utility tied in every skill. Let alone having a skill that has a double function among everything else.

LwntMay 5, 20171 votes

She is a subclass called Enchantress support. They are meant to have high utility but with low defense and damage. Also if you look at soraka, Nami, Sona, Janna, Rakan and Bard they have all have utility in every skill.

Athenes LuluMay 5, 20171 votes

Lulu "low damage"

I think there is an issue here...

GULAG 4 UMay 21, 20171 votes

It's only high in Kane though.

RexxieeMay 4, 20171 votes

Its actually easy to fix lulu.

Nerf her passive early game damage and make her Q a worse 1 point wonder spell.

Now she has to max Q to actually bully ppl in lane again which means she gives up peel for her damage, sure shes still god late game but her early game is worse.

Athenes LuluMay 4, 20171 votes

Yeah it's not that hard, but let's all get real here, it's Riot after all. They don't directly nerf the source of the problem.

People don't really max Q anymore because of how its mana cost got a big reduction and that the slows are the same, therefore justifying that there's no point in maxing Q. Instead, they max E, and use it to mainly trade. If you nerf her Q, she will still be a fairly strong pick because they don't really Q to trade, they use E because it has much more reliable damage.

There isn't a problem that she can trade very well, but instead, too well, because her E does so much damage especially when you max it ASAP. On a champion that has almost Janna levels of peel/buffs.

We wonder why she's so strong right now!

dim2aMay 5, 20171 votes

Nerf look good to me actually. Her damage on E can be part of her identity, as long she is balanced overall, it's fine. She is not as overtuned as, say, Lee Sin, so numbers nerf of this magnitude might bring her to balanced, we'll see who's right I guess.

Now if only Lee Sin received long deserved nerfs...

Athenes LuluMay 5, 20171 votes

a support with free and unavoidable damage PLUS buttloads of utility all at once doesnt sound like a balanced identity here

at least lee sin has to land skillshots and even some skill to play well, lulu doesnt because you can misuse every spell and win because of free damage

not that skillcap matters anymore

ChaddyFantomeMay 10, 20171 votes

honestly this nerf is the wrong thing to do. They should be nerfing the damage on her E, not the shield.

Athenes LuluMay 10, 20171 votes

I was hoping for that, actually.

ChaddyFantomeMay 10, 2017

oh its u That one Lulu player that only wants nerfs to justify their erroneous choice of maxing W. ;o

Athenes LuluMay 10, 20171 votes

ye im that one obnoxious lulu main

hey at least i recognize that shes op unlike a lot of people claiming to "main" lulu xdddddd

Dianna LeveretMay 21, 20171 votes

And yet , for some reason, the moment i try to poke someone i get 1 shotted - why, because caitlyn, lucian and ashe are in every game and you can't properly trade with them.

GULAG 4 UMay 21, 20171 votes

Even hashinshin says lulu's polymorph has a bullshit duration. Nerf that shit. Ffs, it isn't the first time you would, and last time when you did, it gave shitty champions a good core item.