Kai'sa is actually well-designed.

Athenes Lulu·3/14/2018, 2:56:30 AM·70 votes·4,027 views

She feels like shit to play, can't do jack shit damage until 3 items, and getting a lead doesn't mean anything. The epitome of an ADC that we wanted.

We should model ADCs after her tbh.

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Kythers3/14/2018, 3:20:33 AM30 votes

she is actually well designed, has a simple straightforward kit that doesn't have a novel on every skill

compare her to Zoe, and tell me what kind of champions you want added to the game

SSShutTheDuckUp3/14/2018, 6:04:54 AM30 votes

Blasphemy! A late game champion is weak early! How could it be?

And your attempt to be sarcastic about it is realy insolent

AmazoX3/14/2018, 2:50:55 PM18 votes

Kai'Sai is Vayne with counter play.

CrazFight 3/14/2018, 3:18:48 AM12 votes

Adc's used to be like this back in the day, the past few seasons tho, instead of 3-4 item spikes, its 1-2 item spike. ;~;

Spank the Fox3/14/2018, 5:48:08 AM10 votes

“Kai’Sa feels fair because she’s weak af” is what I read.

Just like release Bard and release Ornn “felt good” right?

Also, ever fought Kai’Sa late game? You’ll be regretting those words. If she gets early game buffs beyond this coming patch, her late game will need to go down.

SmashinBob3/14/2018, 4:29:08 AM10 votes

Kaisa feels pretty bad to me, lower auto range than vayne who can also bully her in lane, and also a decent comparisson for her, vanye also has low early and scales into late.

First off, she has no cc and very little outplay potential for having such a short auto range, and scales way too late into the game.

Vayne when she ults her Q every few seconds gives her outplay potential, with cc on her E aswell helping in. We all know and seen all kinds of vayne outplays and not to mention a very fed vayne will ussually 3 auto kill the squishes, which kaisa is often far off.

Whereas with kaisa, there is some outplay with stealth on E and ultimate, but her E locks her out of auto attacking and cannot be interupted, also the stealth is only 0.5 sec and her lockout is 0.75 when she maxes the AS, so compared to vayne Q its definitely much worse, and also on a much longer cooldown.

And during laning phase being aggressive with your E can leave you in bad positions, as other carries will know you cant auto attack, so they will just move into you get the first auto off which will generally win them the trade, or you are forced to back off or time it extremely well to still give them first auto because they outrange you anyways, its not like a vayne Q where you can often sneak in an autoattack without the enemy being able to respond.

And her ult is just very long cooldown for basically a dash.

Then you have her W, which also has very unhealthy design, the only use of it besides some early damage input is for her to ult on a target and go into a very telegraphed engage, and the bad part is the ultimate range is much lower than W range, i hit more than a few times max range W only to realize im not in range to jump, it makes it very untuitive and poor design.

And overall i feel she scales way to late, games really dont last that long anymore, and she is often just very situational even then, not good for tight 5v5 teamfights, good in late for 1v1s if you find someone being alone and hit ur W, but thats it(and also risky), her late 5v5 potential is only seen in very messy teamfights tbh.

Rule 343/14/2018, 3:02:35 AM8 votes

delete adc

Venompaw3/14/2018, 9:01:29 AM7 votes

Kai'sa feels amazing to play. I wish Q had a permanent indicator like Reksai's Q / Ult.

YuGiHo3/14/2018, 7:35:34 PM6 votes

i wish her ap ratios were better, she was advertised as a hybrid marksman with a varied build path but standard adc build wit crit is her best build. her w makes me so sad that this thing does sooo much damage if u stack ad but if u build ap for the upgrade its no where near as good. w upgrade is also the only upgrade where once u meet the 100 ap requirement there is another condition, u have to hit a champ or no cd refund, and then there is the .5 sec cast animation of the skill where u are pretty much stunned.

Even her ult is better with ad, the ratio goes up as u lv it from 100% total ad at rank 1 up to 200% total ad at rank 3, meaning kai'sa with Ie, Essence reaver and ga will always have a greater max shield than a kai'sa with 5 ap items + boots, why is that?

for a champ that should have varied build paths, item choice, and rolls to fill on a team i dont think she is currently fulfilling that fantasy.

2nd Chance3/14/2018, 3:02:10 AM6 votes

u right

XeroKimo3/14/2018, 3:54:54 AM5 votes

At the moment, I think Kai sa is actually the most balanced adc right now, if I were to look at the past, where everyone had a more defined power curve.

She is a hyper carry adc, a legit, hyper carry adc. She sucks ass early, there's so much you can punish her on, but as the game goes on, she gets stronger.

I'd love a few buffs on her, but not go overboard, after that I'd love every hyper carry adc to have nerfs to follow suit as they aren't even hyper carries at the current meta, and I'd love some buffs to lane bully adcs, with nerfs to late game, so we can have more defined power curves on every adc again

Border Knight3/15/2018, 1:41:25 AM3 votes

Yeah, compared to other adc in terms of utility, safety and damage output she definetly ranks low.

Her kit is really nice to play with, had some success in lane in normal this far, no one expects that much damage from the 5th stacks, its like a jhin 4th attack when someone is low health., in the first lvls you can really screw up most of other adc, since your passive has no cd and the q has a fairly short one.

The ap ratios are laughably low, like, ad has always been the better choice for everyone simply becouse of AA, and still, her ap ratios are lower than ad one, srsl.

If she start to get viable, it will probably be from mid or jungle, she offer nothing good to the team, and her ult feels kinda.....lacking, especially for having usch a cooldown and relatively short range at lower lvls.

Personal point, her personality sucks balls, and her script is uninspiring, wasnt for the kit i wouldnt even have considered this walking wood plank

Smitty Manjensen3/14/2018, 1:16:13 PM3 votes

I remember when some dude said the same thing about Zoe, had a good laugh.

Moonfall Saber3/15/2018, 1:28:00 AM2 votes

Meanwhile everyone I see play her is 1/10 or /20/5

Quality Content3/14/2018, 3:05:28 AM2 votes

Her ulti dash can even be interrupted by random cc so your ADC can have a second chance to think about if they actually want to dive in and feed.

VoraciousX3/14/2018, 8:11:03 AM1 votes

Except she probably has a better late game than any other ADC in the game, to the point where if a Kai'Sa gets to late game it's basically over unless she SERIOUSLY fucks up.

Venompaw3/14/2018, 2:55:25 PM1 votes

Kai'sa is a vayne that takes no skill.

saltran3/14/2018, 6:45:13 AM1 votes

I don't play Kai'Sa so I'll ask: is her lategame that strong as you are saying?