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AP champs getting the shaft once again

Blåbæret··10 votes·799 views

You know what's funny? The fact that tanks only buy ONE magic resist item and can effectively ignore all AP damage. Riot decided it was a good idea to give them even more resistances, so now you have an item with a refreshable 15% magic damage reduction.

Nvm the fact that there's only one barely viable AP jungler Elise. Nvm the fact that full AD teams are now actually viable due to AD melting tanks no matter what item 3153 item 1419 item 3071 item 3036 item 3033 item 3147 item 3142 item 3814.

item 3156 already puts the user outside of kill range of any mage, the same does item 3071 with its 400 HP.

Late game AP champs already deal nearly no damage to tanks, and most of the time unless you're Ahri you will lose basically every fight as a burst mage. Let's not forget the massive AP nerfs to item 3157 item 3116 item 3001. AP itemization is literally the most one-sided in the entire game.

Literally every time I pick a tank, I laugh at AP champs - I can stand still in a spot and tank a mage with item 3135 for 15 seconds and not die with one MR item. Yet, with 4 armor items, Lucian will kill me in a couple of autos with his item 3153 item 3071.

SOMEHOW Riot figured out that AP champions were the problem and gave them yet another set of unjustified nerfs.

24 Comments

MrHaZeYo2 votes

They build 1 MR item because Mages have to burst and are then gated by their CDs.

AD champs keep attacking with AAs.

Handy Sandy 4 votes

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They build 1 MR item because Mages have to burst and are then gated by their CDs.

AD champs keep attacking with AAs.

Lol no. I've played DPS mages many times top lane Azir Cassiopeia Karthus

Guess what? They build item 3111 ok yea I still damage them.

item 3211 Ok this is where they just refuse to take damage. item 3065 Now I don't even see their health bar go down. Now what do I do? Rush item 3135 before my item 3165 item 3020 and have no sustain? Or build item 3165 item 3020 and do 0 damage to them, letting them dive me over and over again.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

I've played Cass and Azir a good amount mid, and I shred tanks who have Merc, SV, and Locket lol. Idk what your talking about

Handy Sandy 2 votes

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I've played Cass and Azir a good amount mid, and I shred tanks who have Merc, SV, and Locket lol. Idk what your talking about

Hm, have you played him top yet against anyone that is able to rush a spirit visage? Or maybe done mid vs a Chogath Galio Vladimir that also rushes visage?

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Yes, I generally destroy those 3 champs mid lol. Old Galio was a problem but new one is rather easy for Cass. Same for Vlad and Cho. If you hit your QEEE you'll shred them pretty fast.

Rock MD1 votes

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Lol no. I've played DPS mages many times top lane Azir Cassiopeia Karthus

Guess what? They build item 3111 ok yea I still damage them.

item 3211 Ok this is where they just refuse to take damage. item 3065 Now I don't even see their health bar go down. Now what do I do? Rush item 3135 before my item 3165 item 3020 and have no sustain? Or build item 3165 item 3020 and do 0 damage to them, letting them dive me over and over again.

How about you don't take them top because they have inherently low base stats and are super susceptible to towerdives, which toplaners absolutely love to do.

No really i see top dives at level 3 in organized play. If you're not playing something that's tanky or has a lot of built in sustain/shielding you will get fucked 100% of the time.

I get that you like playing DPS tops but they're all late-game oriented and when they get to lategame they dumpster everyone. You're complaining that they can't go toe to toe with early game stompers and that just seems kinda obvious and poorly thought out.

Blåbæret2 votes

Dude, it's the same thing mid with item 3156 anditem 3001. Your damage really suffers to the point where you just have no kill pressure.

Rock MD2 votes

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Dude, it's the same thing mid with item 3156 anditem 3001. Your damage really suffers to the point where you just have no kill pressure.

Okay then?

  1. You're not even playing mid right if you rush Abyssal OR Maw.

  2. Take it upon yourself to roam because your opponent didn't maximize their damage and now you can push on them and go elsewhere and scale up to late-game faster.

Handy Sandy 3 votes

I'm not saying that they're anywhere near viable top, I'm saying that once someone builds MR they're immune to magic damage until everyone has 3-4 items.

Rock MD1 votes

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I'm not saying that they're anywhere near viable top, I'm saying that once someone builds MR they're immune to magic damage until everyone has 3-4 items.

And?

That's kinda how playing ADC against tanks works too, or have you already forgotten Poppy/Maokai's existence?

The only real exceptions are ADs that either get early shred (Lucian with Cleaver/BotRK) or that have no issue reaching the backline (Twitch)

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Or dont play mages against tanks in top lane?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

Lulu Lissandra Chogath Gragas were all pretty meta for a long time

challenger players even do Kassadin Diana

and lets not forget about Vladimir + Rumble who have never fallen completely out.

kayle and kennen are things, depending on how you build them.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Lulu Lissandra Chogath Gragas were all pretty meta for a long time

challenger players even do Kassadin Diana

and lets not forget about Vladimir + Rumble who have never fallen completely out.

kayle and kennen are things, depending on how you build them.

i like how we are deep and far back digging to try to find viable AP champs XD.. kinda proves the whole point of the OP

Borkahn2 votes

Rumble gg to your one MR build. And yes I mostly play tanks.

Rock MD2 votes

What? APs are fine/great right now. You've got Ahri Ekko LeblancOrianna SyndraVladimir with the occasional AurelionSol Cassiopeia Taliyah in the higher echelons of play and a variety of noobstomper mids viable as well.

Also, the jungle is as fucked as it always is, with the queen of towerdives Elise as good as usual. That's no real surprise.

Blåbæret5 votes

9 mid lane champs, 1 jungler out of 130 champs of which, I don't know- 50-60 are AP?. Yep! In a great spot indeed.

Rock MD2 votes

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9 mid lane champs, 1 jungler out of 130 champs of which, I don't know- 50-60 are AP?. Yep! In a great spot indeed.

?

What are you talking about 9 top tier picks at the top of the ladder is huge diversity compared to other roles at the same level.

AD has like, 3-4 champions, all of which abuse BotRK (Lucian, Ezreal, Twitch, maybe Cait)

Top tier support is Lulu, Malz (who is getting nerfed next patch, again), Zyra, Karma, and Nami - that's 5 champs.

Top lane is Rumble, Naut, Renekton, Fiora, and maybe some other champs. Less than 9 for sure but Rumble's in there too so that's another for APs, Naut too if you really wanna be picky.

And then jungle is like Rengar, Kha'Zix, Ivern, Lee, and Elise. 1 bruiser, 2 assassins, 1 AP tank/support, 1 Elise

So yeah for competitive diversity that's a lot of champions.

Blåbæret1 votes

Pretty much every champ you list here apart from Elise, Malz and Zyra run support builds and are not reliant on AP to be useful. There is also no real AD based support champs, so how representative is this really? Not very.

Rock MD1 votes

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Pretty much every champ you list here apart from Elise, Malz and Zyra run support builds and are not reliant on AP to be useful. There is also no real AD based support champs, so how representative is this really? Not very.

It's representative in the way that saying 9 midlane champions are viable at competitive level is actually A LOT of champions. I'm showing you that when it comes to champion diversity that's a lot of champions relative to the other roles.

Blåbæret2 votes

Indeed. Let's ignore the new MR item and pretend like it's nothing which is essentially what you're doing.

Rock MD1 votes

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Indeed. Let's ignore the new MR item and pretend like it's nothing.

I'm not, I'm just pointing out APs have not been getting the shaft and when items are too strong against them, they do get nerfed (like Edge of Night, which almost nobody takes anymore), and APs are certainly thriving.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

so apparently you have zero clue about mid season up date, the reworking of tank items/armor the changes to armor pen again and the changes for adc items let alone the tank class update.

amumu is now viable jungle

nunu is too...

maokai is still ok top, kennen is good top now again with bork changes but he is hybrid. rumble is always ok , viktor still scales very high as a mid lane carry

Knight Sky1 votes

blah balh blah, complain complain complain. Can people just enjoy the dam game.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

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