Kha'Zix and Rengar are WAY too strong...

Cloud273·Feb 2, 2017·63 votes·4,086 views

Ok, we'll just buff duskblade of draktharr. That should fix the problem.

53 Comments

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 201725 votes

Alright let's see if we got this right.

Mindlessly complaining about insert X champion? Check.

Offering no basis on claims and no suggestions of improvement? Check.

Actually one tricks a champion that I could argue worse than both of these champions? Check.

Yup. It's all here.

Seriously, Rengar can only go two ways: Bruiser or Assassin. Bruiser barely does jack all damage because he's building Cinderhulk and at least two tank items, if he isn't he's Assassin Rengar, and he is EASILY STOPPED BY WARDING THE FUCK UP. He needs to kill every champion in the current game in order to even reach his passive power spike (which is massive but earned so). You know if you got a BIG ASS MARK OVER YA HEAD he's coming for you and if you are low/not giving a fuck then you deserve what comes for you.

Now, Kha'zix I'd argue needs a tone down in damage, because all he is is isolation. Useless in a team fight, hella binary. His damage is pretty off the charts, but if you ward (see how warding is a trend? It is.) You will definitely see him coming and you will definitely not get slapped into next month unless you don't ward or you don't give a fuck.

EDIT: Thanks for the discussion, I see that Assassin rengar is not very viable.

Death and DoomFeb 3, 20173 votes

Agreed. if you post a salt thread, at least have the decency to post whats wrong and try to fix it. let alone the fact that i could post many salt threads about OP's main.

Cloud273Feb 3, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-02-03T02:22:44.120+0000)

Alright let's see if we got this right.

Mindlessly complaining about insert X champion? Check.

Offering no basis on claims and no suggestions of improvement? Check.

Actually one tricks a champion that I could argue worse than both of these champions? Check.

Yup. It's all here.

Seriously, Rengar can only go two ways: Bruiser or Assassin. Bruiser barely does jack all damage because he's building Cinderhulk and at least two tank items, if he isn't he's Assassin Rengar, and he is EASILY STOPPED BY WARDING THE FUCK UP. He needs to kill every champion in the current game in order to even reach his passive power spike (which is massive but earned so). You know if you got a BIG ASS MARK OVER YA HEAD he's coming for you and if you are low/not giving a fuck then you deserve what comes for you.

Now, Kha'zix I'd argue needs a tone down in damage, because all he is is isolation. Useless in a team fight, hella binary. His damage is pretty off the charts, but if you ward (see how warding is a trend? It is.) You will definitely see him coming and you will definitely not get slapped into next month unless you don't ward or you don't give a fuck.

There's literally a million threads about this already that explain the issue in more detail. I'm not gonna waste time typing out what other people have already wrote.

SkorchFeb 3, 201711 votes

Then why post in the first place?

Supreme Senpai69Feb 3, 201714 votes

For free upvotes. Lol

Photos of GhostsFeb 3, 20172 votes

Catharsis

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 20173 votes

And I'd like to thank you, random poster, for your pointless contribution to an issue that wouldn't be a problem if people understood the concept of freezing a lane and proper warding.

(seriously, they are both not doing jack to the shit unless you overextend without vision in lane. stay woke.)

Photos of GhostsFeb 3, 20171 votes

There are skills that are pretty much nonexistent at certain levels of play. If you keep your balance based on the assumption of every possible skill and game knowledge, the customers leave.

XilixerFeb 4, 20171 votes

then at that point just pick a champ that counters them. malzahar is absolute "AIDS" to them. lol

TWITCHTV ERONATEFeb 3, 20171 votes

I agree with the rest of your points but you can't just say "Ward the fuck up" to an ultimate that makes rengar invisible for 20 seconds and got a bigass exclamation point range. he might not come for you but you still have that shit over your head, lol. Also a smart kha will just buy the red ward and delete everything around the lane he wants to gank before he does it, the cd on it is just about as the normal ward, plus the draktharr passive relating wards, so you can't really balance a champ by saying "ward so he doesn't kill you in less than 1 second"

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 20171 votes

Very true, but I feel they both work on a fear/surprise standpoint. In my opinion, if you notice kha/rengo is fed and you don't respect that fact in lane by overextending, you probably will get slapped silly. Warding up may not be the end all solution I will admit, but if you feed them and don't respect their presence while laning you still deserve to die.

nice tableFeb 3, 201710 votes

ekko main talking about peoples mains :^)

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 20171 votes

Hey, full AP Ekko is more balanced than Rengar and Kha'zix, but that can be left for another forum.

slôwFeb 3, 20171 votes

He also prevent's bad players from dying. Their inability to play their roles effectively is held up through a champion who's kit is actually meant to survive fatal damage consistently. Why do you think ekko is picked so much in bronze?

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 20171 votes

I completely agree that Ekko's ult is a free pass for people who are new to the champion (not saying they are bad, that's disrespectful).

However, it does not mean that he is broken or that he can survive fatal damage consistently.

Early to mid game his ult CD I believe will go from 90-120 seconds, not including CDR. This means that if Ekko decides to ult to stay alive, that's all he's doing. Staying alive, not getting kills, not being much of a factor. Ekko thrives off midgame. If these Ekko players are wasting their ults going "ooo look at me can't kill me lol kappa" in reality they are squandering their kill potential by an astronomical amount.

I was guilty of doing this as well, but I learned how useless I was without an ult if I was not moderately fed. I can probably still fight w/o my ult (hell i do it alot) but a new Ekko player will probably get his ass creamed because all he knows is "press R to survive"

So basically, to summarize, most Bronze Ekko's will only until to stay alive and run away without attempting to position their clone and therefore waste their time and damage potential, making it harder for them to win.

slôwFeb 4, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=00060003000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-03T20:56:16.806+0000)

I completely agree that Ekko's ult is a free pass for people who are new to the champion (not saying they are bad, that's disrespectful). no... no they are bad. thats just realistic, if they were good they would be higher elo, so if not good, then bad

However, it does not mean that he is broken or that he can survive fatal damage consistently. ** yes it does, how many times can you actually suicide within that time? unless you are actually inting?**

Early to mid game his ult CD I believe will go from 90-120 seconds, not including CDR. This means that if Ekko decides to ult to stay alive, that's all he's doing. Staying alive, not getting kills, not being much of a factor. Ekko thrives off midgame. If these Ekko players are wasting their ults going "ooo look at me can't kill me lol kappa" in reality they are squandering their kill potential by an astronomical amount. ** why do you think they are low elo?**

I was guilty of doing this as well, but I learned how useless I was without an ult if I was not moderately fed. I can probably still fight w/o my ult (hell i do it alot) but a new Ekko player will probably get his ass creamed because all he knows is "press R to survive" and as such is why low elo ekko players exist

So basically, to summarize, most Bronze Ekko's will only until to stay alive and run away without attempting to position their clone and therefore waste their time and damage potential, making it harder for them to win. low elo ekko!

aqours fanboyFeb 4, 20171 votes

My point is that they will continue to be low elo because they do not use Ekko's ult to the best of his ability.

The amount of Ekko's I see in Bronze (when they force me to play Diana, sad life) that don't build a Zhonya's or straight up never ult to re-position or offensively tilt me off the face of the planet.

DunkinNoobsFeb 3, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-02-03T02:22:44.120+0000)

Seriously, Rengar can only go two ways: Bruiser or Assassin. Bruiser barely does jack all damage because he's building Cinderhulk and at least two tank items, if he isn't he's Assassin Rengar, and he is EASILY STOPPED BY WARDING THE FUCK UP.

Methinks you don't quite understand what bruiser Rengar is. Bruiser Rengar is Warrior->Cleaver->Tank. That build will still leave him with 300+ AD later on in the game while still having all the durability of a bruiser like Irelia.

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 20171 votes

I'd say compared to assassin Rengar which'll just pop you in a second, bruiser Rengar allows for more counterplay in the mid game.

slôwFeb 3, 20171 votes

Assassin rengar is bad. Those players are bad.

UltîmaFeb 3, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-02-03T02:22:44.120+0000)

Now, Kha'zix I'd argue needs a tone down in damage, because all he is is isolation. Useless in a team fight, hella binary. His damage is pretty off the charts, but if you ward (see how warding is a trend? It is.) You will definitely see him coming and you will definitely not get slapped into next month unless you don't ward or you don't give a fuck.

And then he evolves R

aqours fanboyFeb 3, 20171 votes

True, evolved R gives me night terrors.

HyperiönFeb 3, 20171 votes

But who evolves R? It is literally the lowest evolved skill.

The only time I ever evolve R is if I kill a rengar for my 4th evolve.

QWE are too necessary for R to even be worth it.

AmazoXFeb 4, 20171 votes

Why evolve W over R?

ChaoticPineconeFeb 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-02-03T02:22:44.120+0000)

You know if you got a BIG ASS MARK OVER YA HEAD he's coming for you and if you are low/not giving a fuck then you deserve what comes for you.

If you dont notice the mark over your head, maybe your screen turning dark and the sound effects will tip you off.

Cosmic WarperFeb 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-02-03T02:22:44.120+0000)

Alright let's see if we got this right.

Mindlessly complaining about insert X champion? Check.

Offering no basis on claims and no suggestions of improvement? Check.

Actually one tricks a champion that I could argue worse than both of these champions? Check.

Yup. It's all here.

Seriously, Rengar can only go two ways: Bruiser or Assassin. Bruiser barely does jack all damage because he's building Cinderhulk and at least two tank items, if he isn't he's Assassin Rengar, and he is EASILY STOPPED BY WARDING THE FUCK UP. He needs to kill every champion in the current game in order to even reach his passive power spike (which is massive but earned so). You know if you got a BIG ASS MARK OVER YA HEAD he's coming for you and if you are low/not giving a fuck then you deserve what comes for you.

Now, Kha'zix I'd argue needs a tone down in damage, because all he is is isolation. Useless in a team fight, hella binary. His damage is pretty off the charts, but if you ward (see how warding is a trend? It is.) You will definitely see him coming and you will definitely not get slapped into next month unless you don't ward or you don't give a fuck.

Don't expect the boards to not mindlessly circlejerk without using their brains. This post got 37 fucking upvotes....They would rather whine about a champion than learn how to play against them

slôwFeb 3, 20172 votes

Rengar is nothing but a bruiser now, assassin rengar is dead. People playing him that way are just bad.

Once Rengar gets nerfed, he has to go full tank to be useful. Inevitable.

Hes just a tank that can do damage now but with nerfs will be only a tank.

HyperiönFeb 3, 20171 votes

^^^

DarkPh0enixFeb 2, 20175 votes

I am a Rengar main.

Fuck off with your bullshit, Rito gave you a giant ass mark on my ultimate and you are still complaining?

And I will assume you are talking about Assassin Rengar, because Bruiser doesn't build Duskblade.

EDIT: A Kayle OTP, I see. Well, fuck off yet again. Kayle is way more broken than both Kha and Rengar.

Cloud273Feb 2, 201717 votes

[{quoted}](name=FK LANA,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YArTYtwp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-02T22:31:20.407+0000)

I am a Rengar main.

Fuck off with your bullshit, Rito gave you a giant ass mark on my ultimate and you are still complaining?

And I will assume you are talking about Assassin Rengar, because Bruiser doesn't build Duskblade.

EDIT: A Kayle OTP, I see. Well, fuck off yet again. Kayle is way more broken than both Kha and Rengar.

No you f*ck off please. I'm so sick of people defending these broken assassins. I'm sick of seeing Kha'zix and Rengar every time I watch LCS. When was the last time you saw a Kayle in LCS? I can't think of a single time this year. Kayle is purely a solo queue stomper and nothing more. She'll never be good enough for competitive.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 2, 20172 votes

so why does it matter she is good enough for LCS play... she is very very linear in her play style

oh BTW she is confirmed for a rework

ALSO so far in the LCS 61 out of 134 champs picked and banned which is 45.5% of champs...

ModAcademy KaynFeb 3, 20171 votes

Because Kayle's design is problematic, and is mostly kept weak?

nice tableFeb 3, 20172 votes

kayle more broken than kha? trust me i hate the cancer that is kayle as much as the next guy but shes nowhere near as broken as these 2.

IncarcerationFeb 4, 20171 votes

Kha and Rengar can't 1 vs 5 in the late game.

DreadlocksFeb 2, 20172 votes

they're also getting nerfed next patch ..

Variks the LoyalFeb 3, 20172 votes

Heresy has the right of it.

The only reason people hate roaming Assassins is because they don't see them coming.

So, ward, so that you can see them coming.

A Dizzy LuluFeb 3, 20172 votes

And also buff lethality

Sraeg2013Feb 3, 20171 votes

To the point it is better than the flat ar.pen was.

Despite claiming that whole idea of Lethality is to make flat ar.pen weaker early.

Because a 54% winrate champion might be struggling.

KylozFeb 3, 20171 votes

provide solutions please, at least for Rengar.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 3, 20171 votes

Hey that's perfect! That means we've finally reached the point where both of them are strong enough to have a fight and have the winner **NOT **be completely obvious. They now fit their lore for the first time in my years of playing this game.

A Basic IslandFeb 3, 20171 votes

rito wants the alien vs predator to happen in a high profile game and they'll do whatever it takes to make it happen

TheDebowyMocnyFeb 3, 20171 votes

Sejuani item 3047 item 3075 item 3068 item 3143 item 3110 item 3102 Problem solved.

LankPantsFeb 3, 20171 votes

I had a Kha'zix kill me in about 3 seconds when I had 250 armour on Sej. His Q reset is just far too good right now, he has burst per second, which is normally when an assassin becomes far too good.

HyperiönFeb 3, 20171 votes

Its getting nerfed, don't worry. A lot of damage is being taken off of it, as well as the reset.

ValeckseraiFeb 3, 20171 votes

And they both have nerfs on the PBE.

Kha is getting base Q damage reduced and refunded cool down from evolved Q reduced. Rengo is getting lower dash range on his Q, lower ultimate duration, and is losing his ability to block cc for 1.5 seconds after he uses empowered W.

Chill out and do a little research before complaining.

FioraWillCarryFeb 3, 20171 votes

Khazix is getting nerfed next patch but that's not the best news....Jayce is finally getting some serious nerfs in that same patch.

Twitch ChatFeb 3, 20171 votes

i swear to god I better not see any of you fuckers building duskblade rengar on my team

FriusFeb 3, 20171 votes

check surr20 or vpbe ,retard ,they get mnassive nerfs

PiVoRxFeb 3, 20171 votes

Doesent both have 100% pick/ban rates in LCS?

ItsOrvalFeb 4, 20171 votes

Kha'Zix Taste Their Fear (Q) Bonus AD ratio lowered to 120% from 140% Evolved Reaper Claws (Evolved Q) [CD Refund lowered to 45% from 60%]

Rengar [context] Savagery (Q) dash range lowered by 50 units. Battle Roar (W) Ferocity CC prevention effect removed - no longer "prevents incoming ones for 1.5 seconds," Thrill of the Hunt (R) duration lowered to 12/16/20 from 14/22/30

Theyre getting nerfed next patch