@Riot: Is Kalista's Oathswearing supposed to be undeniable?

Blade of Justic·Sep 28, 2015·19 votes·1,185 views

I mean, I'm sure there's 150 reasons to accept her offer, but sometimes I don't want to be her Battle Buddy.

24 Comments

BastionKrossSep 28, 201511 votes

There's a ton of reasons to want to deny that oath. I've had games where an ally Kali pulled out of my ult as Warwick and Malzahar . Champions like Veigar Soraka don't want want to be tossed anywhere close to the enemy team, even if ranged champions do bounce back slightly.

But Riot insists you have no choice but to accept the oath. Back when Kali was first released on the PBE, you could deny the oath. (You had to click on the spear she threw down to accept)

No one was accepting. No one wanted another player, especially some stranger in soloQ, to have the power to yank on your leash. So instead of toning down the power Kali had over her oathsworn (or just getting rid of her completely due to her stupidly powerful passive and unlimited rend stacks) they "fixed" the problem by removing the ability to say no altogether.

Dar RaksadaSep 28, 20155 votes

so click away from the enemy team and thank kalista for saving you from the diving enemies.

BastionKrossSep 28, 20153 votes

That's great if it's used to save you.

But what if the Kali is ulting you for initiation purposes? Do you click away and make her waste her ult, or "take one for the team"? Not a great scenario.

Blade of JusticSep 28, 20153 votes

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That's great if it's used to save you.

But what if the Kali is ulting you for initiation purposes? Do you click away and make her waste her ult, or "take one for the team"? Not a great scenario.

Or even worse, you're getting Blue/Red and Kalista decides that she wants the buff and ults you right before you're gonna get it. Then she takes it herself.

EROTIC RAID BOSSSep 29, 20152 votes

These seem like such unrealistic problems

Surely tahm swallowing you when you don't want it is a way more common problem everyone has actually experienced

DrCyanideSep 29, 20151 votes

Worse than Tahm Kench swallowing you is Tahm Kench swallowing you when he didn't mean to.

Blade of JusticSep 29, 20151 votes

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These seem like such unrealistic problems

Surely tahm swallowing you when you don't want it is a way more common problem everyone has actually experienced

Ya, Tahm is annoying as well. Hate having one on the team.

Dar RaksadaSep 29, 20151 votes

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Or even worse, you're getting Blue/Red and Kalista decides that she wants the buff and ults you right before you're gonna get it. Then she takes it herself.

That's just kalista being an ass, I've seen lux and ezreal do the same thing with their ults, nidalee with her spear, xer with q/r etc.

DokiDokiTodorokiSep 28, 20152 votes

You click away every time and laugh at your Kalista's awful decision making. Her ult's on a 60 second cooldown or so, so it's not like it'll be missed. If you're a squishy support who isn't the engage, "Taking one for the team" means suiciding for about 1 second of cc when you could be providing so much more and peel. It shouldn't even be an issue.

Dar RaksadaSep 29, 20151 votes

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That's great if it's used to save you.

But what if the Kali is ulting you for initiation purposes? Do you click away and make her waste her ult, or "take one for the team"? Not a great scenario.

Then kali should have communicated, click away if you think it's a bad idea, initiate if you think you'll win the fight.

SaiannaSep 29, 20151 votes

But Riot insists you have no choice but to accept the oath. Back when Kali was first released on the PBE, you could deny the oath. (You had to click on the spear she threw down to accept)

Oooh, didn't know that...

Thanks :)

bad manner kidSep 28, 20153 votes

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I mean, I'm sure there's 150 reasons to accept her offer, but sometimes I don't want to be her Battle Buddy.

I think they should do a minor rework on Kalista.

Make her damage passive work for any champion near her, tune it down alittle.
Make her oathsworn recastable, 10 minute cooldown.

Using her ult on a real teammate late game would be an incredible buff. Making the early game poke passive weaker should balance it?

Daedalus871Sep 28, 20153 votes

Kalista : I'm going to spear you in combat. Thresh : What? Kalista : I'm going to wait for you get into combat and then I am going to use my passive on you.

5 minutes later FIRST BLOOD! Thresh : WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?! Kalista : I told you I was going to do that.

Jungle Lux GodSep 29, 20153 votes

Back in her reveal, Riot said it could be denied.

From a gameplay standpoint, it should be denied for the same reasons that Thresh's Lantern is deniable.

And it's complete BS that you can't deny it. You shouldn't be forced to have your ally CC you on demand every once every 2-3 minutes.

SSJTribeSep 28, 20152 votes

Yeah, they said when they were testing her you could decline the offer, but you'd have games where everyone declined it and then she's left without an ult.

Ariel the CruelSep 28, 20155 votes

Normally, people call that a "red flag".

KeevalroySep 28, 20154 votes

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Normally, people call that a "red flag".

"What's that mean? Lol let's force people to accept the oath." - CertainlyToxic

KoKobotoSep 28, 20152 votes

At the beginning of the game you can keep buying spears incase you mistakenly make the wrong champion your oathsworn. Or you can repetitively "kill" someone which I find hilarious xD

Cowgirl EdSep 29, 20152 votes

Nobody wanted to play with a stranger (unless you're premading) with a cancer champion that has control over you, so they said "fk this" and fixed the problem putting a stick in our assholes erm I mean by not having the option to refuse

Yes it sounds retarded but it's the sad truth

luckmallorySep 28, 20151 votes

Well they are playing kalista so go ahead and oathswear my ass. I'll ride that freelo train

Blade of JusticSep 28, 20152 votes

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Well they are playing kalista so go ahead and oathswear my ass. I'll ride that freelo train

Regardless, I'd rather not play Xerath and have Kalista Ult me to her when I press mine.

Not to say it happened, but it's possible.

DrCyanideSep 28, 20151 votes

You can avoid it, but you can't be mindlessly shopping when you hear her throw the spear down. You have to right click away from that spear to cancel it.