Because the enemy team has double ADC, either of which can kill me before my second E gets off.
This is really fucking stupid. It should at least be possible for AP carries to compete with ADC, instead of just automatically losing once they get a QSS or if they run Cleanse.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesall ap and hp zero armor built and cries she got melted by a duo adc comp
VvVVvV2 votesYou should of bought some boots :)
TTK Dreadnought3 votesSocks. Cass wears socks now.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesout of the damage you took in that game at total of 23.8k damage 15.9k of it was physical damage which accounts for 67% of the damage you took if you so great at this game why is your itemization horrible? hell a damn 
would of at least reduce some of that damage and give you ap , cdr, and the active to survive longer so you could "carry" more , btw your 
that game carried the damage 31.5 k vs your 24.3 damage dealt
TequilaZombie2 votesYou were slightly above average on Cass, while Kog and Vayne were both fed as fuck. What did you expect? They had 4k gold over you.
Nimmer1 voteswat
Succubús GF1 votesI think the op means is that as cass, even though they are doing well their team fed and therefore cant carry, which is actually somewhat true. Utility mages have a hard time carrying braindead players
Yenn1 votesI think the op means is that as cass, even though they are doing well their team fed and therefore cant carry, which is actually somewhat true. Utility mages have a hard time carrying braindead players
Basically this. You can stomp as an AP carry and it doesn't matter because AD carries have much more impactful and shit on basically everything that can't one shot them.
As a caster, there's no way to itemize against an ADC, while ADCs can build QSS and auto-win.
Beldair2 votesZhonya's.
Boom Ap itemization against ADCs.
PermabannedGaren2 votesI think the op means is that as cass, even though they are doing well their team fed and therefore cant carry, which is actually somewhat true. Utility mages have a hard time carrying braindead players
Cass isn't a utility mage, lol.
Succubús GF1 votesHow is she not? A DPS mage? That is just arguing over semantics and you know it [slayer-jinx-unamused] She provides, slows to enemies while also speeding herself up, also having sustained damage and burst, while also having an ult that stuns in a cone. You gonna say ori isnt utility either?
PermabannedGaren3 votesHow is she not? A DPS mage? That is just arguing over semantics and you know it [slayer-jinx-unamused] She provides, slows to enemies while also speeding herself up, also having sustained damage and burst, while also having an ult that stuns in a cone. You gonna say ori isnt utility either?
Because she is picked for her high damage in fights.
Having sustained damage and burst isn't utility, nor is speeding yourself up. The only utility Cass provides in her kit is her W and her ult. Cass is picked for her high DPS.
Compare her to Ori, an actual utility mage. Ori provides an AOE slow for the enemy and speed up for her team, bonus resistances to an ally, a shield, and an AOE displacement. She provides more than just some CC.
Succubús GF1 votesReally arguing over semantics I see
Handy Sandy 1 votesI used to be a Cass main, ADCs really aren't a problem for her. If you can land a W or Q just E a couple times and they can't do much against you because you get all your tankiness from 
and 
(Depending on the build, maybe 
) If they can kill you that fast they built full damage and shouldn't have that much health. If it's someone like Ezreal or Vayne that can dash or something W them so they can't, then start your E spam.
If they have double ADC...Then they have no support protecting them?
Yenn1 votesI used to be a Cass main, ADCs really aren't a problem for her. If you can land a W or Q just E a couple times and they can't do much against you because you get all your tankiness from
If they have double ADC...Then they have no support protecting them?
Unless, you know, it's Kog'maw killing you from beyond E range, or Vayne tumbling into you as you throw W and then cleansing your ult
Your experiences are probably different because you're not Diamond and everyone you play against/with is bad
Handy Sandy 2 votesUnless, you know, it's Kog'maw killing you from beyond E range, or Vayne tumbling into you as you throw W and then cleansing your ult
Your experiences are probably different because you're not Diamond and everyone you play against/with is bad
At all elos when you play cass you should never be that close that she can tumble once and do that to you. If she somehow does though, your Q grants movement speed. Use it. I've never played the cass/kogmaw matchup so idk much about that, but anyway I'm unranked so all my words mean nothing lol
PermabannedGaren1 voteshttp://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2279120553/374094?tab=overview
Your team could have only been more stacked with just magic damage if your ADC was Corki.
One late game champion versus two (three counting Veigar but you didn't mention him) late game champions? The latter wins, especially since the rest of your team gets outscaled pretty hard. Vayne and Kog could stack MR easily and your front line was pretty shitty, so between said MR and the Soraka/Shen combo to keep their ADCs alive yeah, I'd definitely say it's very plausible you would lose this. Gragas isn't nearly tanky enough to survive Vayne and Kog'maw for long, and your team's lack of ability to engage on them or burst them down means that the two hypercarries killed you all. Your team comp wasn't very good, is what I'm saying.
Also apparently Kog'maw jungle is completely busted right now.
Also, consider a guardian angel on Cassiopiea. Voyboy seems to like getting it fairly early on, especially if he is ahead.
TTK Dreadnought1 votesGragas should of built 
instead of 
. and having multiple 
is never a bad thing with two attack speed hyper carries. He would even benefit from the CD while having the armor (i dont think i've seen gragas have mana problems late)
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesGragas should of built
regardless of what gragas built or didnt build it dont change the fact that the OP built zero def stats hell if he at least got a 
he would have some armor and he can do more magic damage with his magic pen and ap
Yenn1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YAMhB1O2,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-08-29T06:42:34.111+0000)
regardless of what gragas built or didnt build it dont change the fact that the OP built zero def stats hell if he at least got a
Find a Diamond+ APC who has ever built Thornmail. You won't because it's a terrible idea that would accomplish nothing other than wasting gold.
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read and a prime example of why we need rank restricted forums
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesFind a Diamond+ APC who has ever built Thornmail. You won't because it's a terrible idea that would accomplish nothing other than wasting gold.
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read and a prime example of why we need rank restricted forums
you crying you got killed by double adc comp with zero armor is stupidest things i every heard of. at least with a thronmail you could of had some armor some is better then none
TTK Dreadnought4 votesFind a Diamond+ APC who has ever built Thornmail. You won't because it's a terrible idea that would accomplish nothing other than wasting gold.
It was an example of what you could of done to counter the situation. for all you know, building a thornmail could of let you live just long enough to kill them. Could of been a potential new meta-idea. However, it wasnt done and you lost as a result. Yes, building thornmail/randiun/frozen heart still could of resulted in a loss, but it could of also potentially helped [see schrodinger's cat]
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read and a prime example of why we need rank restricted forums
The fact you are willing to complain on the forums about the situation but toss any possible ideas aside simply due to rank really dont make you any better than the mass majority of players. Yes, you have game experience and mechanical experience over us, but your ability to handle a situation after a bad game (for whatever reason) makes you SOUND like you're no better than me.
Like. we're honestly trying to mention things that could of been done in hindsight. but you're tossing them away simply due to "visual rank"
Beldair3 votesAnd that is why we need intelligent restricted forums..
His point wasn't that you should've bought Thornmail but that you should've gotten some kind of armor to counter act all the ad damage you were taking...
Any smart player would've started buying to counter all the damage they took before mid game...
In fact, most players I duo with build to counter the enemy team while also trying to build up their damage.
BakedLotion1 votesFind a Diamond+ APC who has ever built Thornmail. You won't because it's a terrible idea that would accomplish nothing other than wasting gold.
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read and a prime example of why we need rank restricted forums
you don't build thornmail man. You build 6 sunfires to survive
TTK Dreadnought1 votes1 sunfire, 5 randiuns. at least randiun's -10% crit damage stacks where as immolate doesnt.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes.75*.6 = .45 seconds between shots of E
It no longer makes any difference if they were poisoned or not.
AP carries should not be competing directly with AD carries outside of teamfights
AD carries should have the advantage against AP when there is no team to help
AP should win when there is a team present.
