How hard are you going to gut Akali before you just remove her true stealth?

Eedat·Dec 16, 2018·37 votes·11,071 views

Akali has a 42%-45% winrate depending on what site you use even in Diamond+ and is still one of the most banned champions. Why not just remove the true stealth mechanic that everyone despises and salvage the rest of her kit? How far are you going to bury her in the dumpster just for the sake of stubbornly refusing to let go of her unique mechanic that nobody wants anyway? Is saving her true stealth out of sheer stubbornness really worth gutting her completely?

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The entire teamDec 16, 201815 votes

Riot employees are kind of split on that troo stealth mechanic. Half wants the troo stealth, while the others do not. At least, that's what the rumours say.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

ĘsdeathDec 16, 201810 votes

That's not the funniest part. Literally tons of people asked Meddler what were the arguments from those who defended the true stealth mechanic, guess what. He didn't say shit, because either he knows how ridiculous the arguments are that posting it on front of the community would burn him completely, OR, he defends it too (most likely) and just by the comments he knew he would get burnt too.

However, the state of the game isn't just his fault to be honest. But Morello surely would have taken that true stealth away from day one (or even before release), unlike this balance team that embraces PBE as a Youtube-gathering platform.

The entire teamDec 16, 20182 votes

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That's not the funniest part. Literally tons of people asked Meddler what were the arguments from those who defended the true stealth mechanic, guess what. He didn't say shit, because either he knows how ridiculous the arguments are that posting it on front of the community would burn him completely, OR, he defends it too (most likely) and just by the comments he knew he would get burnt too.

Whatever, the state of the game isn't just his fault to be honest. But Morello surely would have taken that true stealth away from day one (or even before release), unlike this balance team that embraces PBE as a Youtube-gathering platform.

I guess you can say that. I always thought the issue was that Meddler didn’t say anything because he didn’t have the answer the people wanted. That’s what I thought.

ŚhunpoDec 17, 20186 votes

Morello would've also proceeded to balance Akali's overall damage because he's a legend who never saw the need for compensation buffs.

Z3SleeperDec 17, 20181 votes

What would Riot Morello do if he were here today? He'd probly nerf an ass or two, That's what Riot Morello would do.

haaaaaaalpDec 16, 20184 votes

Why bother salvaging the rest of her kit? Just revert the rework and let someone else try to rework her. This rework is a failure, no reason to draw this out.

ParoeDec 16, 20183 votes

"remove true stealth" or just 'true stealth' at this point is a buzzword whiny ass scrubs who refuse to learn to play against the champion use as a rally signal.
The only change Akali needs - as if she uses her W to dive you she is already far ahead and would have killed you anyway - is for her re-cloak duration to be increased so that the turret will target and fire on her while under tower. Her kit has a great deal of skill expression, she has quite a bit of conditional mobility, her main source of damage (her Q) requires her to cross a decently spaced threshhold... Compared to her previous iteration Akali is quite balanced but people whine because CT worked on her.

Cats Are FoodDec 16, 20184 votes

She can tower dive at level 3. That's broken.

Easy.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20185 votes

Why can Zed dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Fizz dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can LeBlanc dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Talon dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away?

Akali can dive, but unless you're dumb and played super greedy she can't get a kill, and many times, even if she gets the kill, she'll die as well.

Cats Are FoodDec 16, 20186 votes

You... you miss my point. NO champion should be able to tower dive at level 3. In fact for 3 solid seasons they worked to ensure none COULD. For awhile.

The power of a lot of champion concepts is centered at level 6 for a spike. Tower dives, historically, happened at 6. Now?...

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20182 votes

And you miss my point.

Your comment targets her in particular saying that she's broken because she can do it, but....even tho she can do it, she's the worst at it of all Assassins.

If your comment was something like "All Assassins can tower dive at level 3. That's broken" or "She's part of the big group of champs that can tower dive at level 3. That's broken", I would've had nothing against your comment, but you only focused on her ability to dive, not the fact that others can as well, so for obvious reasons, your comment is wrong.

Cats Are FoodDec 16, 20184 votes

So... she's the least of the broken garbage. Still garbage. Therefore, statement is true.

Basic premise of a Valid Arguement.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20181 votes

Then people should go cry about the rest and leave Akali alone.

It's like crying "OMG KALISTA SO BROKEN, NO COUNTERPLAY TO HER DASHES" or what not, when things like Lucian exist.

If the weakest of a class has a problem that the whole class shares, the problem should be fixed for everyone in the class not just for the weakest.

Just because Akali does it differently doesn't mean the way others dive should be left alone.

Cats Are FoodDec 16, 20182 votes

She is, by FAR, not the weakest assassin.

It still does not change the fact that True Stealth was removed from the game. For a reason. They then removed the basic counters FOR true stealth. Then they added the mechanic back.

It tips her from hard to compete against in a competent hand, to broken. Deal with it.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20182 votes

Depends how you look at the class.

Assassins should be bursting someone down and getting out, but her burst is the lowest in class, hence why she has the lowest TTK of all assassins and she still has a similar issue to prerework: can get in a fight, but not so easily out.

Yea, she has her W, but that's just buying time, unless it's near a wall she can hop with her E, she's not getting out, considering most probably her ult is down as it was used to kill someone.

As for outplay potential, that's subjective, since I don't consider LeBlanc's or Zed's "I 100-0 you before you can even toss out a spell" as outplay.

Here's some winrates in Diamond, random orders: Zed: 49.5% wr, 12.1% pr, 26.4% br - avg kda: 8.4/6.3/5.3 - 2.17 - 13.7 KP Fizz: 50.6% wr, 4.2% pr, 3.8% br - avg kda: 8/5.8/5.4 - 2.31 - 13.3 KP Talon: 52.7% wr, 5.5% pr, 4.6% br - avg kda: 8.7/6.3/5.5 - 2.25 - 14.2 KP Katarina: 50.1% wr, 5% pr, 2.8% br - avg kda: 9.2/6.6/5.5 - 2.22 - 14.7 KP LeBlanc: 49.5% wr, 9% pr, 24.8% br - avg kda: 7.3/5.1/6.3 - 2.66 - 13.6 KP Akali: 46.5% wr, 9.2% pr, 59% br - avg kda: 7/5.8/4.7 - 2.01 - 11.7 KP

She's not only losing more than any other mid lane Assassin, but also not even getting close to their KP.

Let's the rest of jungle assassins and Pyke, just for fun

Pyke: 49.5% wr, 17.2% pr, 32.8% br - avg kda: 6.6/6.1/8.6 - 2.49 - 15.2 KP Kayn: 49.7% wr, 9% pr, 5.8% br - avg kda: 7.3/6.2/6.9 - 2.29 - 14.2 KP Rengar: 50.8% wr, 7.7% pr, 5.6% br - avg kda: 8/6.2/5.7 - 2.20 - 13.7 KP Bug: 52% wr, 16.6% pr, 13.1% br - avg kda: 8.4/5.6/5.9 - 2.55 - 14.3 KP Evelynn: 51.6% wr, 5.2% pr, 14.4% br - avg kda: 8.4/5.5/7.0 - 2.8 - 15.4 KP Get nerfed already aka Shaco: 53.7% wr, 5.2% pr, 7.1% br - avg kda: 7.8/5.1/6.7 - 2.84 - 14.5 KP Nidalee: 50.9% wr, 8.7% pr, 5.1% br - avg kda: 7.2/5.5/7.4 - 2.65 - 14.6 KP

Oh hey, another invis that's not revealed by pinks and even Oracle doesn't let you click on him with the highest winrate of the Assassins and best kda ration. Let's cry about Akali who from stats is the worst performing assassin in Diamond. Barely wins, can't get as much KP as the rest, but Shaco? Nah, he's been S tier for like 9-10 patches now, but he's fine, he can oneshot you from invis then get away, but he's fine, Akali is the most offensive Assassin.

Is she frustrating to play against? Yes, she is. Can someone who mastered her do better than other Assassins when mastered? Maybe, who knows? Is she the best assassin out there? Far from it, heck, she's the worst at the job of them all. If I missed someone, feel free to say.

SaevumDec 16, 20181 votes

Do you have the chart for Twisted Fate? Just curious.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20182 votes

50% wr, 4.5% pr, 0.7% br - avg kda: 5.0 / 5.4 / 8.0 - 2.4 - 13 KP

Quite good the fellah when you got the macro play down.

SaevumDec 16, 20181 votes

Ty.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20181 votes

No problem, have fun with him :p

I like him as a character due to his personality and all.

chipndip1Dec 17, 20181 votes

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Depends how you look at the class.

Assassins should be bursting someone down and getting out, but her burst is the lowest in class, hence why she has the lowest TTK of all assassins and she still has a similar issue to prerework: can get in a fight, but not so easily out.

Yea, she has her W, but that's just buying time, unless it's near a wall she can hop with her E, she's not getting out, considering most probably her ult is down as it was used to kill someone.

As for outplay potential, that's subjective, since I don't consider LeBlanc's or Zed's "I 100-0 you before you can even toss out a spell" as outplay.

Here's some winrates in Diamond, random orders: Zed: 49.5% wr, 12.1% pr, 26.4% br - avg kda: 8.4/6.3/5.3 - 2.17 - 13.7 KP Fizz: 50.6% wr, 4.2% pr, 3.8% br - avg kda: 8/5.8/5.4 - 2.31 - 13.3 KP Talon: 52.7% wr, 5.5% pr, 4.6% br - avg kda: 8.7/6.3/5.5 - 2.25 - 14.2 KP Katarina: 50.1% wr, 5% pr, 2.8% br - avg kda: 9.2/6.6/5.5 - 2.22 - 14.7 KP LeBlanc: 49.5% wr, 9% pr, 24.8% br - avg kda: 7.3/5.1/6.3 - 2.66 - 13.6 KP Akali: 46.5% wr, 9.2% pr, 59% br - avg kda: 7/5.8/4.7 - 2.01 - 11.7 KP

She's not only losing more than any other mid lane Assassin, but also not even getting close to their KP.

Let's the rest of jungle assassins and Pyke, just for fun

Pyke: 49.5% wr, 17.2% pr, 32.8% br - avg kda: 6.6/6.1/8.6 - 2.49 - 15.2 KP Kayn: 49.7% wr, 9% pr, 5.8% br - avg kda: 7.3/6.2/6.9 - 2.29 - 14.2 KP Rengar: 50.8% wr, 7.7% pr, 5.6% br - avg kda: 8/6.2/5.7 - 2.20 - 13.7 KP Bug: 52% wr, 16.6% pr, 13.1% br - avg kda: 8.4/5.6/5.9 - 2.55 - 14.3 KP Evelynn: 51.6% wr, 5.2% pr, 14.4% br - avg kda: 8.4/5.5/7.0 - 2.8 - 15.4 KP Get nerfed already aka Shaco: 53.7% wr, 5.2% pr, 7.1% br - avg kda: 7.8/5.1/6.7 - 2.84 - 14.5 KP Nidalee: 50.9% wr, 8.7% pr, 5.1% br - avg kda: 7.2/5.5/7.4 - 2.65 - 14.6 KP

Oh hey, another invis that's not revealed by pinks and even Oracle doesn't let you click on him with the highest winrate of the Assassins and best kda ration. Let's cry about Akali who from stats is the worst performing assassin in Diamond. Barely wins, can't get as much KP as the rest, but Shaco? Nah, he's been S tier for like 9-10 patches now, but he's fine, he can oneshot you from invis then get away, but he's fine, Akali is the most offensive Assassin.

Is she frustrating to play against? Yes, she is. Can someone who mastered her do better than other Assassins when mastered? Maybe, who knows? Is she the best assassin out there? Far from it, heck, she's the worst at the job of them all. If I missed someone, feel free to say.

How DARE you use empirical data when we're talking about how Silver FEELS.

IP MasquerenaDec 17, 20181 votes

Ok, that made my day.

Thanks

BestealDec 16, 20181 votes

Except Talon can. Fizz can Leblanc can Zed can Yasuo can All at level 3. Do I need to continue this list? I fail to understand how Rylalei is allegedly "missing the point" and how you somehow are not.

chipndip1Dec 17, 20181 votes

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You... you miss my point. NO champion should be able to tower dive at level 3. In fact for 3 solid seasons they worked to ensure none COULD. For awhile.

The power of a lot of champion concepts is centered at level 6 for a spike. Tower dives, historically, happened at 6. Now?...

You getting tower dove level 3 means you're bad, period. They already buffed turret damage and tankiness in the early game. The rest is ENTIRELY your fault, especially when you can see her walking up to you when you're under turret.

SEKAIDec 16, 20186 votes

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Why can Zed dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Fizz dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can LeBlanc dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Talon dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away?

Akali can dive, but unless you're dumb and played super greedy she can't get a kill, and many times, even if she gets the kill, she'll die as well.

No, she won't. Because her re-stealth time is faster than the firing speed of turrets. As long as she does 1 attack at a time, she will never get a tower hit before the shroud expires.

And since putting a smoke bomb at the foot of the turret basically means the opponent is cornered and can't get out of the situation without at least 2-3 hits. They are good as dead anyway. Even if they somehow aren't, their survival is still costly because they likely have burned their reserved Summoner's (such as Flash) and they still have to recall and give up farm and lane pressure after.

Point is, whatever the case, Akali only benefits from any of these situation, and the only thing she is required to do is just press a button to use a gamebreaking spell that has a negative cost and not even a long CD and everything just falls in place.

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You also loaded the dice by comparing her to a list of "X can dive at level 3 and get away" examples, which are not only arbitrary because those outcomes are entirely circumstantial/situational and not guaranteed (and even if it's guaranteed, it's mostly because of the broken as shit Dark Harvest/Electrocute and Ignite. Except LeBlanc, because screw her, screw her so much), but also that you forget those situations are NOT normal. No one should be allowed free dive AND kill at level 3. That is effectively broken.

In other words, you justify Akali (or rather her W) being okay because you compare her with (theorised) examples that are blatantly broken. That does not in any way, prove that Akali is in an acceptable spot.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20182 votes

It's not that "I'm comparing her to the broken ones", it's just simple stuff.

She doesn't burst like other assassins. Zed can take you down to half health without you even being in range to retaliate, LeBlanc barely gives you time to retaliate and even if you manage, the burst she dishes out is much higher than what you can, Fizz is Fizz, we all love to hate him, Talon is wellknown as the level 2 killer.

She needs 5+ seconds to output as much damage as they do in 1-2 seconds, so if she dives, you can see her position. Unless you screwed up yourself by throwing your Lux Q, Ahri E, Morgana Q, Ekko Disk (don't know the key for that) or any other CC you have way before she even decided to dive, then she's gonna get stuck there and you have time to get away or kill her back, because if she still has her W to dive, she didn't used it in the trade, meaning she shouldn't be full hp, more hp than you? Maybe, but not full, so if she dives like that, she still needs to go away from to activate her passive, since, y'know, most of her early damage comes from that passive and Q, but if she can't use the passive to get energy back, she can't effectively kill you either.

Know her powers and play around it, not act like "I got nothing do to".

WatafoolDec 16, 20182 votes

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No, she won't. Because her re-stealth time is faster than the firing speed of turrets. As long as she does 1 attack at a time, she will never get a tower hit before the shroud expires.

The fact that you think her re-stealthing time is faster than a turret can attack her just shows that you don't know how akali works.

Fun fact: it isn't.

If akali is in her shroud under an opposing turret and attacks without her minions nearby, she WILL get hit. Now if she has her minions on the tower and she times her attacks with when the tower is shooting a minion, then know she will not, and props to the akali player for using their skills.

DJisKxngDec 18, 20181 votes

Akali is the easiet champ to tower dive with and her invisibility is just broken, it needs a nerf

ParoeDec 18, 20181 votes

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Akali is the easiet champ to tower dive with and her invisibility is just broken, it needs a nerf

Note: Akali has more sustained damage than raw burst, and in order to 'assassinate' somone she requires, generally, two or three procs of her passive. This means that, if she dives you, you can simply walk away and deny her the ability to harass you under tower.

While there is simple and effective counterplay here, her re-cloak timer (which is 0.15 seconds faster than turret targeting) should be increased from 0.6s to 0.75s or even 1 second. Of course, no matter the change, people need to stop their pathetic "I HATE CT" bullshit.

FéliXXXDec 16, 20181 votes

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Why can Zed dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Fizz dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can LeBlanc dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Talon dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away?

Akali can dive, but unless you're dumb and played super greedy she can't get a kill, and many times, even if she gets the kill, she'll die as well.

what?i mean no zed cant dive at lvl 3 get a kill then get away he just can and yeah akalis w make her able to (not saying you can do it against good players but she is ''able'' and zed is not)and idk about the other champs i dont play them

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20181 votes

Noone is able to get an 100-0 kill at level 3, so a dive at that level is only when an enemy is low enough, hence why all of the above can, but due to Akali's low burst, unlike the above mentioned ones, she'll also be low, making a riskier dive than for them.

FéliXXXDec 18, 20181 votes

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Noone is able to get an 100-0 kill at level 3, so a dive at that level is only when an enemy is low enough, hence why all of the above can, but due to Akali's low burst, unlike the above mentioned ones, she'll also be low, making a riskier dive than for them.

bruh akali has a way better lane than zed and a lot more dmg eventough if its not burst dmg on early she is just better and has way more kill pressure

jocomotionDec 16, 20181 votes

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Why can Zed dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Fizz dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can LeBlanc dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away? Why can Talon dive at level 3 and get a kill then get away?

Akali can dive, but unless you're dumb and played super greedy she can't get a kill, and many times, even if she gets the kill, she'll die as well.

Zed and Talon can’t dive w/o ultimate unless they have a HUGE hp advantage

Lb is Lb. she’s known fo her early laning phase and being able to unload her burst while taking little to no damage

Fizz could since he’s got a way in and out, but it’s unlikely he’d ever be able to so early since his laning phase pre six sucks so bad.

Don’t make dumb comparisons.

IP MasquerenaDec 16, 20181 votes

And you don't make dumb excuses.

At level 3 she can dive, just like any of the above, but unlike the ones above, she doesn't burst as hard considering how gated her damage is because she has such a powerful defensive tool.

She can dive and look pretty, but if she doesn't get a kill she won't get much of an advantage as she needs 21 sec to get her W back after it ends, and most can actually punish her, if not outright kill her, because, as I stated multiple times, if she kept it to dive, she didn't used in a fight and she won't dive you unless you're low, so if you're low and she isn't after a fight, then that's all on you, since she's not that strong of a laner herself early unless you let her poke you down, but then again, that's on you not her.

jocomotionDec 16, 20181 votes

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And you don't make dumb excuses.

At level 3 she can dive, just like any of the above, but unlike the ones above, she doesn't burst as hard considering how gated her damage is because she has such a powerful defensive tool.

She can dive and look pretty, but if she doesn't get a kill she won't get much of an advantage as she needs 21 sec to get her W back after it ends, and most can actually punish her, if not outright kill her, because, as I stated multiple times, if she kept it to dive, she didn't used in a fight and she won't dive you unless you're low, so if you're low and she isn't after a fight, then that's all on you, since she's not that strong of a laner herself early unless you let her poke you down, but then again, that's on you not her.

Wait, I never said she bursted hard, I never said she needed an advantage, I didn’t even mention Akali. So relax.

[zombie-brand-clap]

I asked you not to make dumb comparisons because most of the champions you listed where unfair comparisons, and because a lot of them where untrue.

Talon and Zed again, can’t dive level 3 unless

they have a huge health advantage
they have summoners up

Lb is Lb, so comparing her to Akali is unfair since she’s got one of the best lanes in the game.

And Fizz could dive, provided that he somehow gets ahead in his lane. He alone is the only good comparison to Akali you listed.

ŚhunpoDec 17, 20181 votes

None of those examples can dive you level 3 unless you're bad and previously got poked down......especially if you're a mage with barrier.....

IP MasquerenaDec 17, 20181 votes

Nor can Akali because of her much lower damage output compared to them.

So if you are low enough to get diced and killed by her, it's all on you.

Style points don't win games.

ŚhunpoDec 17, 20181 votes

Stop defending Obscure. Thank you that is all, goodbye.

ParoeDec 17, 20181 votes

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Stop defending Obscure. Thank you that is all, goodbye.

Stop whining for the sake of whining? Just walk away from her area and ALL of Akali's power from that ability is suddenly gone - Her shroud is intended as a defensive tool... If you stay IN her shroud because you tunneled and wanted the kill then died, it is 100% on you because YOU got outplayed instead of walking away and giving up the kill.

ŚhunpoDec 17, 20181 votes

I got outplayed by someone pressing a single button? Aight.

chipndip1Dec 17, 20182 votes

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I got outplayed by someone pressing a single button? Aight.

From the Katarina main, everyone.

[zombie-brand-clap]

ŚhunpoDec 18, 20181 votes

Yes, my champion is the opposite of a one-button wonder. Instead I play Osu!/Guitar Hero every time I get a reset or use a base combo. Thanks for proving my point.

ParoeDec 18, 20181 votes

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Yes, my champion is the opposite of a one-button wonder. Instead I play Osu!/Guitar Hero every time I get a reset or use a base combo. Thanks for proving my point.

Err... A katarina outplay consists of pressing Q, flashing, and pressing R. In fact, katarina has 0 skillshots and most of her damage is untargeted isnt it?

Katarina should win pretty well against Akali with her high ranges, no resources, and untargeted AoE damage.

ŚhunpoDec 18, 20181 votes

"In fact, katarina has 0 skillshots and most of her damage is untargeted isnt it?"

Daggers count as skillshots. Actually they count for more than skillshots since Kat isn't the one in control when she throws them out, her opponents are; Kat loses control and gives that control to her opponents. Tell me any other champion which works in that manner?

Kat does not win vs Akali once the skill gap is fairly close since Akali also effectively has no resources, a lot of DPS+burst through Q->AA, healing and her shroud interferes with Kat's Q cast time and Shunpo cast time, although this patch at least they go through; but then Akali also has that bonus movement speed to move away from the dagger(s). Yeah no, Kat does not counter Akali in shroud. As far I know, unless they've changed it this patch, Kat cannot ult Akali in shroud. The matchup just becomes near impossible at 6 since if Akali hits you once with either the tipper range of her Q for the slow, a R1+Flash->E or simply an E; you die. The only option there where you realistically live is if she hits you with a raw E since you can Shunpo out, but if the Akali's decent she'll catch on to that.

So no, Kat isn't the best pick into Akali. She's certainly a lot better than conventional mages into Akali, but she's not someone you should be picking into Akali.

BestealDec 16, 20181 votes

Which is only possible if you are at 200 HP already otherwise she will get two hit by the tower. And before you tell me her W makes her immune to towers, I'm pretty sure that she has to unstealth to kill you, which is long enough to let the tower do 45% of her max HP at level 3 unless she has minions under the tower and times damage perfectly, in which case literally any other assassin would be better for the job anyway and so I don't understand your argument.

Cats Are FoodDec 16, 20181 votes

Convo already had above.

Noor SakataDec 16, 20181 votes

Who said true stealth was the issue ? it's sure annoying but not the main problem , removing it won't fix anything , it's the shroud itself.

FurriesAreHotDec 17, 20181 votes

A lot of people since it was known how it works. It removes all interaction between the akali and the enemy, and removes the 1 tool a laner can always rely on, the tower.

chipndip1Dec 17, 20182 votes

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A lot of people since it was known how it works. It removes all interaction between the akali and the enemy, and removes the 1 tool a laner can always rely on, the tower.

A lot of champs "remove the one tool laners rely on" when they dive. Yi does. Vlad does. Fizz does. LB blinks away. Xerath doesn't even really dive more than he snipes from the middle of the lane into your turret range. Shaco does, too. Eve also blinks away. Zed and Kayn take refuge in the target, then Zed blinks away. Plenty of champs don't give a shit about your turret if you're too low. Akali's "LoOOkinG BroKEn" doesn't mean anything if it's just a flashier, harder method of doing what everyone else does.

FurriesAreHotDec 19, 20181 votes

Yi does. And it's complained about. Vlad's does, but he can't cast his spells during it or attack beyond the damage of the W itself. Fizz does, and is complained about. LB's blinks (and every other form of blink/rapid movement) isn't the same due to them still being targetable, and when she blinks away, she can't harm you anymore.

The difference with akali is she can sit under your tower for an extended period of time auto attacking, casting her spells, and moving around.

chipndip1Dec 19, 20181 votes

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Yi does. And it's complained about

No it isn't.

Vlad's does, but he can't cast his spells during it or attack beyond the damage of the W itself.

If he casts E and R before using W, he doesn't NEED to cast. He can just hold E while swimming in W while R cooks to burst you.

Fizz does, and is complained about.

Haven't seen much Fizz QQ in months.

LB's blinks (and every other form of blink/rapid movement) isn't the same due to them still being targetable, and when she blinks away, she can't harm you anymore.

The point is that she easily removes herself from the situation, so it's significantly easier for her to dive you when you're even somewhat low.