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RIOT can we just have solo que back for fuck sakes.

Daxanater··80 votes·2,424 views

Tired of this bullshit where I'm the one to with a 4 man premade and no matter what you compare it to it's a horrible experience, "Dynamic queue has lowered the toxicity" lol that's absolute bullshit, riot it's like your not even playing your own game. Many youtuber's are leaving and soon the LCS players will too, don't think they are enjoying the cancer you have created.

Give your game to another company because to be completely honest you guys have no idea how to run the game or more like you have forgotten how to run a game. You lie about bringing solo queue back of course then talk some bull shit on that "dynamic queue round table" video where you admit how shit it is but at the same time ignore the guests you invited. The act of "Professionalism" has never been shown once when discussing about this stupid ranked system.

And don't give me that bullshit about Bronze-Gold people shouldn't be experiencing this shit, why am I constantly being paired with 4 man premades???? They just yell at you for every move you do wrong. Oh and don't get me started on the match making, lmfao I got 2 unranked players once in a gold 3 game.. gold 3. I'm not saying gold is high elo at all but still what kind of bullshit is this. I don't even like solo queue man but I rather have that then DQ because I don't have to get bullshit match ups and arguing with 4 man premades on my team.

Not like you care right, haven't seen a red post on a DQ rant ever lol. I don't really care anymore, watch your game die riot, I'm excited for your game to die because I can't wait to see your reaction to your mistakes, and everyone that deny's that this game wont die, tell me when has riot ever released the player population for NA? Especially for this season, if they do ever release it and the number prove me wrong then I'm wrong. But riot's probably never going to do that

Bring back solo queue and stop with this bull shit.

52 Comments

Zero Shingetsu13 votes

Riot is full of people who are computer smart and foolish on every other practical point that comes with running an online game, and ignore the will of their players to boot. While I agree on every point, I unfortunately agree on the "not like they care" part. They'll probably never even look at posts like these. Shameful.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

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Riot is full of people who are computer smart and foolish on every other practical point that comes with running an online game, and ignore the will of their players to boot. While I agree on every point, I unfortunately agree on the "not like they care" part. They'll probably never even look at posts like these. Shameful.

they have given the users everything they've asked for, including dynamic queue

Zero Shingetsu10 votes

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they have given the users everything they've asked for, including dynamic queue

Yeah, but do you really believe that more than 60% of the game consists of people who want dynamic queue and dynamic queue only? If that were the case, these four-man premades would never find a game. You can't alienate half your fanbase to a ridiculous degree just to satisfy the other half, or you'll lose half your income. I'd be willing to bet solo queuers account for more than half, in fact, but I won't be so bold as to assume it's a fact.

Anytime you implement something like this, you need to leave an option for those who don't want to use it or you're going to have a lot of unhappy people.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Yeah, but do you really believe that more than 60% of the game consists of people who want dynamic queue and dynamic queue only?

where did you even get that number from

If that were the case, these four-man premades would never find a game.

why not? Just because dynamic queue exists that doesn't mean there wont be poor suckers trying to yoloqueue their way to the top

You can't alienate half your fanbase to a ridiculous degree just to satisfy the other half, or you'll lose half your income. I'd be willing to bet solo queuers account for more than half, in fact, but I won't be so bold as to assume it's a fact.

false, the free to play model thrives on appealing to two groups

  1. whales who dump tons of money into games
  2. people who drag their friends from wherever into games, including whales

When expanding into new regions it is wise to appeal to new people and bring in new whales especially if your old ones no longer have anything left to purchase. They got your money, they got your friends money, they got all the money.

And when they have new content they will do something to appease you and drag you on back with your new friends to spend new money.

Welcome to the gaming industry kid.

Anytime you implement something like this, you need to leave an option for those who don't want to use it or you're going to have a lot of unhappy people.

You can leave, league isn't going anywhere. Come back whenever you like. That's your option. You can also just play the game in a different way. There's multiple options. They expect you to migrate from game to game. You think its a coincidence they waited till overwatch came out to switch to this?

Zero Shingetsu8 votes

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where did you even get that number from

60% is a solid majority. I asked if you believed 60% of players don't want solo queue back, because if it's anything short, saying Riot gave the players what they wanted is inaccurate.

why not? Just because dynamic queue exists that doesn't mean there wont be poor suckers trying to yoloqueue their way to the top

Because if more than half the players are in premades, there won't be enough "yoloqueuers" to fill out their games reliably. I was using this fact as proof that more than half the players in the game do in fact solo queue.

false, the free to play model thrives on appealing to two groups

  1. whales who dump tons of money into games
  2. people who drag their friends from wherever into games, including whales

The whales will leave if they're no longer having fun, and if those whales leave, people queuing with their friends will have a harder time finding those last few players to fill out their matches. Eventually they'll also get fed up and stop playing as a result.

When expanding into new regions it is wise to appeal to new people and bring in new whales especially if your old ones no longer have anything left to purchase. They got your money, they got your friends money, they got all the money.

I'm not sure how alienating people who want to queue by themselves is going to appeal to new people in the long run. I can tell you for a fact that more than half of Japanese players play online games "alone", as in they don't bring friends with them. This kind of system, where you're almost punished for queuing alone, would most certainly not appeal to that region. So there's one huge gaming market that disproves your theory.

And when they have new content they will do something to appease you and drag you on back with your new friends to spend new money.

Unless you're disillusioned with the game by that point. There are plenty of old MMORPGs who lost their player base due to foolish gameplay decisions and didn't win them back with new content. If this were as easy as it sounds in your statement, every online game that ever existed would still be going strong. There comes a time when every game loses its appeal, and more often than not, it's because the developers aren't on the pulse of their player base.

Welcome to the gaming industry kid.

I can almost guarantee my youngest child has been alive longer than you've been studying in college. Throwing around this "kid" word to make oneself sound wizened is getting older than most of those people actually are.

You can leave, league isn't going anywhere. Come back whenever you like. That's your option. You can also just play the game in a different way. There's multiple options. They expect you to migrate from game to game. You think its a coincidence they waited till overwatch came out to switch to this?

I'm aware of that. Trust me, if League weren't 糞ゲー, I'd have left a long time ago. There's just something... charming about the sheer stupidity of 糞ゲー that makes them fun to stream. Don't worry, I stopped giving Riot my money over a year ago, so it's no skin off my back.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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60% is a solid majority. I asked if you believed 60% of players don't want solo queue back, because if it's anything short, saying Riot gave the players what they wanted is inaccurate.

This is false, it doesn't take a majority to give the players what they wanted/asked for. less than 1% is enough for this statement to be true. It doesn't matter what % it was, players wanted something that dynamic queue can allow, I doubt 60% or even 10% of players really give a shit which it is. These forums likely don't even represent 1%.

Because if more than half the players are in premades, there won't be enough "yoloqueuers" to fill out their games reliably. I was using this fact as proof that more than half the players in the game do in fact solo queue.

more than half wanting the ability to do premades does not mean that they will join premades in every game especially if there is a matchup time penalty

The whales will leave if they're no longer having fun, and if those whales leave, people queuing with their friends will have a harder time finding those last few players to fill out their matches. Eventually they'll also get fed up and stop playing as a result.

They don't need the whales, they need whale callers to call on new whales.

There are new people joining the game as ones who have already purchased everything they've ever wanted are leaving. If you spend 1000 dollars on league there isn't much reason to expect another penny from you. Not that they wont care about you but appealing to your tastes isn't exactly going to be a priority for financial reasons

I'm not sure how alienating people who want to queue by themselves is going to appeal to new people in the long run. I can tell you for a fact that more than half of Japanese players play online games "alone", as in they don't bring friends with them. This kind of system, where you're almost punished for queuing alone, would most certainly not appeal to that region. So there's one huge gaming market that disproves your theory.

false again. The Asian market is full of games that punish you for going alone. additionally Japan's massive gaming community is going to make it easy to draw in new crowds which will of course include whales and whale callers.

Unless you're disillusioned with the game by that point. There are plenty of old MMORPGs who lost their player base due to foolish gameplay decisions and didn't win them back with new content. If this were as easy as it sounds in your statement, every online game that ever existed would still be going strong. There comes a time when every game loses its appeal, and more often than not, it's because the developers aren't on the pulse of their player base.

Not everyone is interested in making games last forever, especially when given the opportunity to make a better game.

If you had a choice between making the best game ever and the most popular game ever which would you choose? What if it were more profitable in the short run to make the best game ever and more over the long run to make the most popular game ever? You are not on the pulse of the game designers.

Additionally, the players don't always know exactly what they want. The players got dynamic queue because there was demand for dynamic queue though I doubt most people realize they were even asking for it when they demanded a more realistic ranked experience.. now if you don't make it to practice or the game you will have a bad time.

I can almost guarantee my youngest child has been alive longer than you've been studying in college. Throwing around this "kid" word to make oneself sound wizened is getting older than most of those people actually are.

and I can absolutely guarantee you that you haven't been around long enough to know I'm already out of college or that the average league player as of season 2 was already in college.

Not sure how old you are but apparently the American parody style phrasing escapes you

welcome to league old kid

I'm aware of that. Trust me, if League weren't 糞ゲー, I'd have left a long time ago. There's just something... charming about the sheer stupidity of 糞ゲー that makes them fun to stream. Don't worry, I stopped giving Riot my money over a year ago, so it's no skin off my back.

and breaking up with you is no skin off theirs if you haven't dished it out for a year.

They explore new markets, you move on to their buddies and eventually come back when they come see you under a new name.

Zero Shingetsu5 votes

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false again. The Asian market is full of games that punish you for going alone. additionally Japan's massive gaming community is going to make it easy to draw in new crowds which will of course include whales and whale callers.

There aren't many games... In fact, I can't think of any off the top of my head, from Japan that punish you for not having friends. There are plenty of MMORPGs and such that favor playing with a group, but Japanese MMORPGs tend to make it very easy and in many cases beneficial to find a pickup group. This is because, again, Japanese gamers aren't as likely to go into a game with a gang of friends as American players are.

In this particular case, by the way, Japan's whales won't go much for League. They're more concerned with mobile games like Kancolle.

Not sure how old you are but apparently the American parody style phrasing escapes you

English is my second language. Apologies if some of the nuance is lost on me. It's especially hard to pick up on those things through text.

Blanchimont1 votes

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There aren't many games... In fact, I can't think of any off the top of my head, from Japan that punish you for not having friends. There are plenty of MMORPGs and such that favor playing with a group, but Japanese MMORPGs tend to make it very easy and in many cases beneficial to find a pickup group. This is because, again, Japanese gamers aren't as likely to go into a game with a gang of friends as American players are.

In this particular case, by the way, Japan's whales won't go much for League. They're more concerned with mobile games like Kancolle.

English is my second language. Apologies if some of the nuance is lost on me. It's especially hard to pick up on those things through text.

Many older MMOs punish players for grouping by not providing experience boosts or having poor item distribution systems in groups. Newer MMOs tend to make it easier to group together by just putting everyone who queues together into the same pool and then throwing out the first semi balanced group of four or so into a party and then have them bid on rare drops (or in the case of PSO2, just give it to everyone).

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Many older MMOs punish players for grouping by not providing experience boosts or having poor item distribution systems in groups. Newer MMOs tend to make it easier to group together by just putting everyone who queues together into the same pool and then throwing out the first semi balanced group of four or so into a party and then have them bid on rare drops (or in the case of PSO2, just give it to everyone).

Korean MMOs punish the living fuck out of you for not grouping

Blanchimont1 votes

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Korean MMOs punish the living fuck out of you for not grouping

This was before 2008. If you've played any of the newer games since 2012 released by Korean companies, they tend to reduce the amount of grouping needed and make it easier to find groups for any content that is required for groups. For their older games like Dungeon Fighter Online, they redo the experience curve with every new level cap increase so that it never actually gets harder to level up from level 1 to the level cap.

I Stone People1 votes

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Yeah, but do you really believe that more than 60% of the game consists of people who want dynamic queue and dynamic queue only? If that were the case, these four-man premades would never find a game. You can't alienate half your fanbase to a ridiculous degree just to satisfy the other half, or you'll lose half your income. I'd be willing to bet solo queuers account for more than half, in fact, but I won't be so bold as to assume it's a fact.

Anytime you implement something like this, you need to leave an option for those who don't want to use it or you're going to have a lot of unhappy people.

even if that were true that 60% of people liked dq, what about the other 40%? no matter the numbers a large portion of the community is distraught about the changes to the game and it needs to be dealt with and discussed. Unfortunately, that isnt happening.

Daxanater11 votes

lol please, pleeeeeeeeasseeee explain to me when has anyone asked for cancer queue?

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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lol please, pleeeeeeeeasseeee explain to me when has anyone asked for cancer queue?

by other names we've been asking for version of it for over 3 years now. People were most vocal about it when they changed away from the ELO system of ranked when they were pointing out that as long as we were soloqueue there could never actually be a meaningful ranked system in this game.

Daxanater8 votes

Names? Proof?? Over 3 years of asking for a bullshit system like this. Meaningful, are you telling me dynamic queue is a meaningful ranked system, PLEEEEEEASE explain how is it a meaningful ranked system when you can literally get carried from bronze 5- diamond 5 by getting dynamic boosted.

6KEMBE4ORBA7 votes

Wrong.

People complained constantly of DuoQ but it was somewhat tolerable to a degree. No one asked for DQ.

DQ is a garbage competitive system and anyone saying otherwise is delusional or a troll. Guess which one are you? :)

Mr Fidori1 votes

People have been asking for old cancer queue back all season.

Gulma6 votes

going to keep defending riot till the bitter end eh? I know you've been around for a while back from the original message boards. Do you remember how many riot fanboys there used to be defending riot on almost every issue? I look at these boards and see how much the community is upset about dynamic queue.

Dynamic queue was NOT wanted.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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going to keep defending riot till the bitter end eh? I know you've been around for a while back from the original message boards. Do you remember how many riot fanboys there used to be defending riot on almost every issue? I look at these boards and see how much the community is upset about dynamic queue.

Dynamic queue was NOT wanted.

I'm not defending riot, riot just gives the community whatever it is they asked for in some form or another. This is a pattern that has repeated itself over and over. Yes, if you always make bullshit accusations that paint the people at riot as mindless monsters its going to seem like I am a riot fanboy from all the times I end up siding with them. If you make an actual intelligent argument against something in particular that isn't based on a falsehood I will side with that, 9/10 times it will just be more bs on this forum however. Like when they released the initial ahri changes I was against this until they fixed it.

Dextix LT4 votes

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CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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orly

Daxanater1 votes

truth

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

They do look at these types of posts, but there isn't a lot a Red could say in a purposefully hostile environment. The OP doesn't promote healthy conversation with his post. Ghostcrawler responded to a purposefully hostile thread with a joke, but replied more seriously when someone brought up a reasonable point.

Blanchimont3 votes

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They do look at these types of posts, but there isn't a lot a Red could say in a purposefully hostile environment. The OP doesn't promote healthy conversation with his post. Ghostcrawler responded to a purposefully hostile thread with a joke, but replied more seriously when someone brought up a reasonable point.

Customers have a right to be angry when you promise to do something and then back out of that promise. Lyte promised Solo Queue and Ranked 5v5 would be back. We have neither right now. 5v5 is only a featured game mode and the promise to bring back Solo Queue was broken.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

It's alright for people to be angry, but anger clouds judgment and arguments. Concerning the promise about Solo Queue and Ranked 5's, that was a mistake on their part. They jumped the gun, promised it, and when it turns out that it wasn't as plausible as they thought, people got angry about it. It's why Riot on a norm barely gives a timed estimate on anything, using the Soon TM.

Realistically, they should've been more open from the get go, but they're trying to make up for that now.

Xengre1 votes

They don't have computer smart people, either. Check out their programming. Even the rare updates that have been coming out are taking way longer than they should.

They clearly don't care about the playerbase and are merely taking actions they think will have the best profits for the company that they can get away with. Unfortunately, they seem to be in denial about the state of the game even when popular streamers and pro players have voiced against the current path of LoL or as the userbase drops off.

Zero Shingetsu2 votes

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They don't have computer smart people, either. Check out their programming. Even the rare updates that have been coming out are taking way longer than they should.

That's a good point. And every patch seems to break something; usually something completely unrelated to the patch contents. "Computer literate," we'll say.

Daxanater4 votes

bmp

Summonerrr 13 votes

I find it very supportive to your point that when I was doing my placements 4 months or so ago and went 7-3, in my last 3 games I was getting paired with golds and high silvers, yet I get placed in bronze III.

Gold and silver teammates/opponents. Bronze III.

Riot. Logic.

Gulma1 votes

it only depends on your rank last season. They will put you as close to where you were last season.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

fuck your fuck sakes

dynamic queue is in, go away filthy yoloqueuers

miyutort2 votes

And here is a perfect example of someone that is being dynamic boosted.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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And here is a perfect example of someone that is being dynamic boosted.

If you can't get on a good team you are no better than any one else at your level, boosted or not.

miyutort1 votes

Not that everyone is boosted and the matchmaking is absolute aids!Not at all!Go watch peppa pig little naive kid.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Not that everyone is boosted and the matchmaking is absolute aids!Not at all!Go watch peppa pig little naive kid.

so what if players get boosted, why can't you get boosted?

Are you saying there's bronze players in the LCS or is there some point you can't boost past?

miyutort1 votes

You are clearly beyond retardation i am not going to waste my time with you i have got more important things to do.Post anything you want just remember nobody will take you seriously.Go argue with someone else keyboard warrior.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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You are clearly beyond retardation i am not going to waste my time with you i have got more important things to do.Post anything you want just remember nobody will take you seriously.Go argue with someone else keyboard warrior.

how am I being a keyboard warrior? Either show me the bronze LCS players or accept that there's some point you can't boost past and you have failed to reach even that purely out of either pride or inability to properly socialize. Considering I'm being called a keyboard warrior and chastised for asking this I'm guessing its more the latter.

seraph1m1 votes

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how am I being a keyboard warrior? Either show me the bronze LCS players or accept that there's some point you can't boost past and you have failed to reach even that purely out of either pride or inability to properly socialize. Considering I'm being called a keyboard warrior and chastised for asking this I'm guessing its more the latter.

you dont play ranked your opinion is invalid maybe if you could take your mouth of riots dick for a minute you could see how hardcore players arent the majority of the people playing any given game but they are the back bone of games in general then you will see there is a real good reason to not to shit in their face till they leave

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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you dont play ranked your opinion is invalid maybe if you could take your mouth of riots dick for a minute you could see how hardcore players arent the majority of the people playing any given game but they are the back bone of games in general then you will see there is a real good reason to not to shit in their face till they leave

and what would playing ranked change? What would playing 1000 games of ranked change. You're just assuming I don't but seriously what would that change about anything I've said? I'm not just defending riot mindlessly, you just don't have a real argument. Don't make these kinds of attacks just because you aren't able to use your words very well.

seraph1m1 votes

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and what would playing ranked change? What would playing 1000 games of ranked change. You're just assuming I don't but seriously what would that change about anything I've said? I'm not just defending riot mindlessly, you just don't have a real argument. Don't make these kinds of attacks just because you aren't able to use your words very well.

several good arguments have been made q times would go down ranks would be more meaningful so on so forth but you are mindlessly defending your a wothless pile of human garbage

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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several good arguments have been made q times would go down ranks would be more meaningful so on so forth but you are mindlessly defending your a wothless pile of human garbage

honestly I'm not even defending anything, I'm just pointing out that youre barking at your own reflection in the lake like a stupid dog or something. Do you think riot just does this because its funny? But nevermind that all you can fucking do is attack me because you think I'm "on riots team"

I argued that dynamic queue isn't something that spawned out of thin air and that riot tends to just give the players whatever they want eventually. So what if queue times would go down. So fucking what? You can make 1000 excuses this community asked for this and got it just like they got other things whether it was necessary or not.

You just have to assume Riot is insane and that I'm just saying things mindlessly because youre too fucking lazy to do any footwork. You don't give a shit about why, you just want what you want just like all the others who made dynamic queue eventually happen to begin with. If all you can do is regurgitate the obvious benefits of soloqueue while ignoring those of dynamic just sit your as on the backburner with the forgotten reworks and replay system. You're just an obstacle to your own cause.

seraph1m1 votes

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honestly I'm not even defending anything, I'm just pointing out that youre barking at your own reflection in the lake like a stupid dog or something. Do you think riot just does this because its funny? But nevermind that all you can fucking do is attack me because you think I'm "on riots team"

I argued that dynamic queue isn't something that spawned out of thin air and that riot tends to just give the players whatever they want eventually. So what if queue times would go down. So fucking what? You can make 1000 excuses this community asked for this and got it just like they got other things whether it was necessary or not.

You just have to assume Riot is insane and that I'm just saying things mindlessly because youre too fucking lazy to do any footwork. You don't give a shit about why, you just want what you want just like all the others who made dynamic queue eventually happen to begin with. If all you can do is regurgitate the obvious benefits of soloqueue while ignoring those of dynamic just sit your as on the backburner with the forgotten reworks and replay system. You're just an obstacle to your own cause.

they did it for money thats all it is i understand that you moron

your attempting to tell people to stop whining while in this same post saying riot gives people what they want eventually people want solo q so they are asking for it you autistic child

Eunson2 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

NoBrandHero2 votes

i'll just leave this here, because this is the best representation of pre DQ ranked play that I've ever seen: Lilypichu describes ranked play

Dextix LT2 votes

Soloq had its problems. But at least it was a fair system. They could have fixed those problems.

But now we have an unfair system.

Slack King1 votes

"Solo/Duo"

WrÆth1 votes

Farm those upvotes man, farm them.

Daxanater1 votes

legit, i dont really care about upvotes. I'm just making a point, lol.

WrÆth1 votes

Making a point that's been proven in the past to farm upvotes that has also been made 10000000 other times.

Daxanater1 votes

which still needs to be adrressed not for the upvotes but for the wanting of solo q, what do you even gain from farming upvotes lmfao

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