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Karma should NOT have been nerfed for Athene's

Sugar Momma·7/7/2017, 3:59:51 PM·28 votes·1,617 views

wasn't even given a significant buff (I would argue it wasn't buffed at all and quite possibly nerfed, at least for mid lane which is when most often built it). The biggest draw to it honestly was that it had 20% CD reduction, which allowed you to build it to max CDR quickly. This was great on because of the synergy with her mantra/passive, and it allowed her to use it as a substitute for mid lane.

Giving it the extra AP wasn't a huge buff when it lost the CDR. getting her shield nerfed AGAIN to "compensate" was not necessary at all, and she now has the lowest win rate of all the supports. Also, is arguably a better user of , and she was left untouched, despite having one of the highest win rates of all supports, both before and after the change.

Let me say this as well - has had her shielding consistently nerfed. Part of this is the addition of % healing shielding power ( have seen their healing/shielding nerfed as well), but it's mostly attributed to the Patch 5.10 changes to her R-E/R-W and subsequent buffs to R-E.

No one ASKED to give a gigantic shield. We wanted to KEEP the shield bomb; all she needed at the time were the buffs to her mantra CD reduction at later levels.

29 Comments

The Yetii Rider7/7/2017, 6:16:11 PM6 votes

Had this conversation a million times already - shield bomb is unhealthy because it gives your opponents very little time to react (the bomb went off faster than Orianna's Command: Shockwave).

Sona has a high win rate because she's easy to play.

You can still build Morello on mid Karma. Supports don't want 20% CDR.

Winterkill7/8/2017, 3:43:59 AM6 votes

They shouldn't have reworked her into a shield bot in the first place. The Developers will continue to nerf her and find every possible excuse to never do anything on her. These Developers care about specific champions and Karma isn't one of them and she never will be. Look how quick it takes them to rush a LB rework after her diasater, but have nothing but excuses for four years now with Karma. Let's openly admit that Ezreal deserves a major art and kit update over Karma, who has one of the most laziest and unfinished reworks in LoL history.

Meddler even stated he thinks Ezreal deserves major changes before Karma. Reav3s said sometime last year that no one is talking about Karma nor will she be getting anything done on her in the near future. They just dont care enough about the champion when they keep screwing around and wasting time on reworking their popular champions. I mean for christs sake they are rushing a garbage LB rework and another Aatrox rework. These Developers dont give a crap about Karmas real mains.

Swarovsko7/7/2017, 9:21:15 PM4 votes

item 3190 was already a big nerf to her and they still decided to nerf her because of item 3174 . I'm pretty sure the only reason she got nerfed is because she was dominating pro play, they knew Karma was going to be weaker for no reason at all and used new as an excuse because they couldn't say stuff like "we are nerfing a champion with a balanced 50% win rate across all elos because of pro play".

Sassmast3r7/7/2017, 6:22:17 PM3 votes

While I agree with this, 20% CDR was much too valuable to be sold at 2100 gold, when the item also healed everyone it shielded, gave some decent mana regen, and even some ability power.

Karma gets her shield nerfed indirectly so often because people don't realize how effective a shield that also gives movement speed is, especially when her CDR is at 45% and she can boost literally anyone at all times for a fair amount of mana.

Karma needs legitimate work done on her, and until then, I'd suggest building Ardent Censer and FQC as your first two items to go along with your Mobility boots (as support), and from there you can decide the other CDR items you'd like to build, and hopefully you'll throw a Liandry's Torment in the mix. I don't play her mid so I've no advice there; I'd imagine you just get Liandry's as fast as possible with your Sorcerer's Shoes and a Morello's.

Shadòw7/8/2017, 12:01:37 AM3 votes

fuck karma lol

Weasel Kensei7/8/2017, 12:54:52 AM1 votes

This is snip from a somewhat unpopular topic I made the other day:

I actually prefered it with 20% CDR instead of the mana regen AP conversion.

My reasons being that I liked to build it (I know someone who was building it) on Morgana and Bard because that affordable early 20% CDR along with either item 3092 item 2301 of these made for 30% (35% with masteries) CDR very early. This is powerful on a champ with strong CC on a Q skillshot. It also allowed for some healing on Morgana and extra healing on Bard.

So the mana regen conversion on Athenes is... I mean consider this:

item 3504 item 3174 item 3222 item 3107 item 2301 item 3117 (215 AP build)

If Athenes mana regen to AP conversion is supposed to give extra AP, then the passive gives 90 AP with this build. Thats nice if you were building this as its 80 more AP than this build gave before the changes to Athenes. Also consider that build contains every finished item that increases % base mana regen that Athenes can turn into AP. item 3114 item 1039 and the jungling items (but only in the jungle) are the only other items that increase % base mana regen.

So now I have to build item 3165 if I want a 2nd item 20% CDR spike, I see another poster in this topic saying supports dont want CDR... but thats like your opinion man. I loved the 20% CDR, other stats, and utility of Athenes. It became one of my favorite items, and 20% CDR favored heavily into that as it expanded my playstyle. I love spamming skillshots on Morgana, Bard, Karma. Landing a Q + W on Morg pretty much fully charged it for my next Black shield. And 20% CDR on Bard as a second item means more Qs in what is going to be teamfights and siegeing soon, as well as putting down shrines more often.

I hate this mana regen to AP passive, and honestly, CDR to AP conversion would have been better stat for supports.