As a Lee Sin player this new pathfinders knife is a terrible change

HeartPalpitation··4 votes·1,454 views

Unique Active: Control: Consumes a charge to place a Control Ward. Charges are refilled by killing Large Monsters in the enemy jungle or returning to the shop.

i know imma get alot of hate because these boards hate Lee but hear me out.

This is a pretty big indirect nerf to lee. Not only did you guys remove the option of getting a sight stone recently, you are now removing an extra ward on the jungle item which Lee heavily relies on. Now i get you can recharge by taking an enemy camp but that is not a solution for lee as invading and stealing camps is 80% of the time a dangerous task. Lee isnt as strong as he used to be many champions can straight up out duel lee these days so invading isnt always a good idea so the recharge isnt really compensation for losing a charge of the ward. Not to mention you are killing diversity in the jungle by haphazardly throwing all 3 jungle items into one. If you wanna lower vision with green smite then make the ward you get last not as long as a traditional ward or something...

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Azadethe2 votes

It's specifically a Lee setback, but I've seen a ton of mage junglers picking up item 3092 . Perhaps you could too, or spend enough of the early game charging a item 3096 through ganks? I don't know. The medallion costs about the same as a Sightstone, but you'd still be limited on the early game. Still..... if you rushed it, being around a lane for about 6 kills and about 7-8 Large minion kills, you'd probably have enough gold to get the 3 Ward Medallion. (It's also going to get + 10 move speed, which would be neat on a Lee). If you had both, you'd have a perma Control ward, and a 3 perma wards. It'd take up a slot, but not like Sightstone didn't.

Shnabbydoodle2 votes

The whole shtick was that item 3711 let you have a free sightstone, because buying a support item (or sightstone, if it was still around) would tank Lee's power all around, especially late game.

Azadethe1 votes

Just like he had pre item 3711 . Lee hasn't always had a jungle item with wards. He had a Sightstone, which "tanked" his power.

Now, he gets a free Control ward every time he takes a camp in the enemy jungle or recalls to town. Which is more powerful? Chilling Smite + a rechargeable free Control Ward? no 75g purchases.....

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

Oh gee, maybe now Lee players will have to actually land their Q to gank successfully instead of just ward-hopping and pressing R.

HeartPalpitation1 votes

[{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y14H6WXT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-08T00:54:26.882+0000)

Oh gee, maybe now Lee players will have to actually land their Q to gank successfully instead of just ward-hopping and pressing R.

oh gee it's almost as if lee sin is already in a shitty spot and doesn't need to be hit with a nerf right now. 47% winrate and failing to succeed in a snowball meta which in theory should be perfect for him but guess what? There are like 6 champions that do what lee does but better. So lets fuck him even harder by nerfing his mobility makes sense.

L Psy Kongroo2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Our Last Hope,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y14H6WXT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-02-08T21:16:08.830+0000)

oh gee it's almost as if lee sin is already in a shitty spot and doesn't need to be hit with a nerf right now. 47% winrate and failing to succeed in a snowball meta which in theory should be perfect for him but guess what? There are like 6 champions that do what lee does but better. So lets fuck him even harder by nerfing his mobility makes sense.

Translation: "Lee is never allowed to be below average in any way shape or form and must always be a tier 1 pick in the jungle."

HeartPalpitation1 votes

[{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y14H6WXT,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-08T21:42:03.737+0000)

Translation: "Lee is never allowed to be below average in any way shape or form and must always be a tier 1 pick in the jungle."

He isnt even good right now is my point they are indirectly nerfing something that is not even b tier now. Im not complaining about his current state i'm complaining that they are nerfing something that is not even close to meta and is actually in an OK spot. Your comment is assuming i want him to be stronger, that is not what im asking or talking about.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y14H6WXT,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-08T21:42:03.737+0000)

Translation: "Lee is never allowed to be below average in any way shape or form and must always be a tier 1 pick in the jungle."

No apparently now that will be kindred and ivern exclusively

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y14H6WXT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-08T00:54:26.882+0000)

Oh gee, maybe now Lee players will have to actually land their Q to gank successfully instead of just ward-hopping and pressing R.

Oh gee, if only you didn't get yourself to a spot where Lee could do that... Hmm idk maybe, and it's just an idea .. You place the wards to see Lee... BEFORE HE GETS TO LANE Just a thought

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

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Oh gee, if only you didn't get yourself to a spot where Lee could do that... Hmm idk maybe, and it's just an idea .. You place the wards to see Lee... BEFORE HE GETS TO LANE Just a thought

Except you can do that against every jungler, it's not a Lee-specific counter.

Lee will still have trinket wards to hop to anyway. Or he could hop to a minion, or the ally champion he's ganking for. Point is there's still plenty of ways for Lee to gank, enough to keep him relevant at least. And if he happens to be a little more worse off than before, that's fine by me. Lee has been king of the jungle for 3 years now, it's about time we go at least 1 season where he's shit and see how the meta shapes up when he doesn't warp the jungle around his absurdly overloaded kit.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y14H6WXT,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-02-09T22:59:32.442+0000)

Except you can do that against every jungler, it's not a Lee-specific counter.

Lee will still have trinket wards to hop to anyway. Or he could hop to a minion, or the ally champion he's ganking for. Point is there's still plenty of ways for Lee to gank, enough to keep him relevant at least. And if he happens to be a little more worse off than before, that's fine by me. Lee has been king of the jungle for 3 years now, it's about time we go at least 1 season where he's shit and see how the meta shapes up when he doesn't warp the jungle around his absurdly overloaded kit.

Doing that just opens the door for hecarim, rammus and kayn...

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

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Doing that just opens the door for hecarim, rammus and kayn...

Fine by me tbh.

TwinkiePro1 votes

It's really not that bad of a change, the worst part is forcing you to invade.+

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