What If Mages Got Equal Treatment As AD?

Subject 5·Jul 18, 2017·6 votes·663 views

These guys can use both abilities and AA's AD PEN - 54 VS AP PEN - 54

These guys need to use abilities

17 Comments

Critmaster GarenJul 18, 201712 votes

sure, if we increase every mr value in the game from items, runes and masteries to the same high values as armor and change item 3135 to 35% bonus magic pen instead of total magic pen.

The Bearded BardJul 18, 20174 votes

And then make three different versions of void staff, one of which applies grievous wounds on all magic damage instead of just below 40% health. Then of course we'll have to cook up a new passive for morellos.

KivolanJul 18, 20175 votes

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sure, if we increase every mr value in the game from items, runes and masteries to the same high values as armor and change to 35% bonus magic pen instead of total magic pen.

Auto attacks don't scale with AP. Armor nullifies much less damage in the long run than MR does.
AD champs have many, many, many more options for MR + other beneficial stats than AP champs. Yes, AP champs generally have more access to health items, but AD have their options as well.
Armor Runes = 1 armor per rune. MR Runes = 1.34 MR per rune. Masteries are even.

Itemization is, in general, much better for AD champs with many more options. The problem is there are a few outliers in the AP world (and AD world) that are both just broken due to their kits in general rather than items.

WalkingInACircleJul 18, 20175 votes

And get ap per level.

AhristocatsJul 18, 20173 votes

then reduce the amount of AP gained by items

KivolanJul 18, 20171 votes

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then reduce the amount of AP gained by items

You seem to have missed the point.

AP exclusively benefits abilities, while AD works on both abilities AND autoattacks. AD ratios also tend to be much higher than AP ones.

AhristocatsJul 18, 20173 votes

doesn't matter, AD champions are balanced around AD working on autoattacks and spells

every single spell in 2010 used to scale with AP, some are relics of this like tristana ult, some got changed because else they get to have trash spells in late game and having 50% of their kit not working

Subject 5Jul 18, 20171 votes

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sure, if we increase every mr value in the game from items, runes and masteries to the same high values as armor and change to 35% bonus magic pen instead of total magic pen.

I'd be down for that, it'd be a nerf to AP Mage supports and a buff to AP Mages. It's laughable how much better AD actually is compared to AP.

JmmanJul 18, 20173 votes

YES MAGE SPELLS CAN CRIT.... What spell vamp is back... nice.... what item 3085 all spells now do AOE.... I can only dream of equal treatment

Subject 5Jul 18, 20171 votes

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YES MAGE SPELLS CAN CRIT.... What spell vamp is back... nice.... what all spells now do AOE.... I can only dream of equal treatment

item 3046 And if you hit a magic ability on the enemy team champion - they deal 12% less damage to you, you can move through units and ignore collision and being near an enemy champion you gain an additional 7% movement speed.

8% for every auto attack item 3153 VS item 3151 2% for every ability ?????

item 3072 Heal for 20% of the damage you deal - you gain a shield for overheal because why the fuck not?

20% slow, 300 HP / 70 AP item 3116 VS item 3022 700 HP + 30 AD - 30 / 40% Slow

PrinceOfStormsJul 19, 20171 votes

Liandry's does 2% per second for 3 seconds, for a total of 6%.

Subject 5Jul 19, 20171 votes

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Liandry's does 2% per second for 3 seconds, for a total of 6%.

Every 3 seconds an Auto attacking champion with AD items can apply BORK 1 - 1.50 times a second. So if you blow a load on a champion you get the burn for maybe 4 procs whereas AD's can just continue applying it over and over again - they don't need to wait on abilities, so overall, BORK is just better. This isn't even including the active on the bork that does additional damage + Movement speed.

PrinceOfStormsJul 19, 20171 votes

What spell vamp is back

Even when spell vamp was a thing only a few champions bought it because it was 33% effective for AoE damage, which many mages deal almost exclusively.

JmmanJul 19, 20171 votes

I liked it a lot on fiddle