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We are running out of unique ways to play champions

Subject 5··99 votes·6,586 views

AP shen is no longer possible AP GP is no longer possible AP Kog'Maw is just awful now, there is no reason to build AP other than possibly just aitem 3115 but again, this is on-hit Kog'Maw so you are AA'ing not ulting and QE'ing Attack speed Fizz has been out of season ever since the attack speed jungle item has become close to useless with the exception of Jungle Kog'Maw The list keeps on going, and the new champions that are coming out are so god damn singular focused that their kit offers no 'other' way of playing them, the champions are just straight out "build this, okay?" Kled

LoL was a lot more fun without Riot dictating what we can and can not play, with such a SOLID and UNMOVABLE meta that is forced onto the players, there is always going to be a lack of diversity. Don't get me wrong, AP shen I wouldn't really play in ranked. But you know what, it was fun as a mother fucker when I could burst down that enemy Vayne with my Q, taunt her and then give my team a 2k hp shield. It was fun, yeah.

So what I have left to troll with and actually have fun without playing meta is generally AP Jax, AD Akali, Singed jungle, anybody have any suggestions for more? Dieing to find more.

188 Comments

cinomenapplebae48 votes

Garen full crit Bard ad bard Gragas full ap mid Gnar full ap mid or top Katarina full ad Nasus full ap Sona full ap mid

Melledoneus46 votes

Shen River Shen.

Evewynn14 votes

The legend lives on

Melledoneus17 votes

Only the truly masterful of Shen players can play river shen.

CeexSett4 votes

What is a river Shen? :o

Jonxx15 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBa7LCcNGQ

"Plays X Files theme"

Infinite Saught1 votes

Full AD Katarina is fucking garbage.

Junkο3 votes

Idk 375% AD ratio on ult compared to 250% AP ratio is pretty dope, also 60% AD ratio on W compared to 25% AP ratio. Also last hitting is easier and if you fuck up your spells you can still kill people with AAs. Only thing you mis out on is on the really good synergy with Kat Qs and Ludens.

I mean AP Kat is better but AD can still work.

Infinite Saught1 votes

So you want me to go into reason why I say it?

The ratios mean nothing. If you decide to go AD, it means you will have to use your auto attacks, as the two AD ratios are not more powerful than the other four AP ratios. Normally this doesn't cause a problem until you look at Death Lotus. This ability is antithetical to autoattack based champions, only because you cannot autoattack while using a channeled ability. The only reason why Wukong is able to get away with this is because his ultimate is a quasi-channel, AND has its own cc. You still are able to use it even after being cc'd as well.

Now, if we look at an AD Katarina's kit, it can be considered a mediocre pre-rework Fiora. Both need to stick to their targets to deal damage, and both had a lot of aoe potential. The problem with AD Katarina is:

AD Katarina does not have an ultimate that applies on-hit effects, nor does she have an attack speed or movement speed steroid (no, the movement speed on W isn't nearly enough). AD Katarina's ultimate doesn't give her quasi-untargetability either, nor does it make her everywhere in the enemy team at once. Her basic abilities can do that ONLY if she get's a reset.

Moving onto that, ALL of Katarina's basic abilities do magic damage. There are no dual penetration items, so building straight up AD without any magic penetration is considered suicide. Sure, you can get Sorc. Shoes, but it doesn't help her basic ability's horrid damage.

Lastly, she loses lots of up front damage because her Q and E don't scale with AD! She's also an assassin. If she loses any burst by putting her damage into AAs, then people will just escape.

Junkο1 votes

Lol. First of all Wukong and Katarina are 2 entirely different champions. You cannot compare them, AT ALL.

Secondly, dealing both physical and magic damage is not bad at all. Let's say you get fed as AD Kat? How is the enemy teams supposed to itemize against you now since you deal both types of damage? There is a reason champs like Corki and Kog'maw used to be/are strong, there is not much you can do when they get ahead.

Also how would her ultimate (or any ability for that matter) applying on hit effects help AD Kat? Barely any AD item in the game actually gives on hit effects, and those that do give AS and you won't be getting these anyway.

AD Katarina's ultimate doesn't give her quasi-untargetability either, nor does it make her everywhere in the enemy team at once. Her basic abilities can do that ONLY if she get's a reset.

Maybe go in at the right moment, just like you are supposed to as Kat even while playing AP?

Infinite Saught1 votes

On the contrary. I just did with their ultimates. They're similar in the fact that they both spin, have AD scalings, and deal damage over time.

I don't think you understand how inconsistent the mixed damage is. For one, her mixed damage is initially weak due to the fact of shitty scaling abilities, so you're just really reliant on autoattacks for damage here. Secondly, there's no synergy between auto attacks and her abilities except maybe Sinister Steel (this doesn't have a cast time, so you can AA and W at the same time). Thirdly, autoattacks are SLOW compared to .25 second basic ability combo that's likely to burst a squishy into a damage nuke we call her ultimate when building AP. AD simply does not have that. Lastly, when I said something about AD Katarina's ultimate, you don't have to take it in the context of regular Katarina when I'm comparing it to pre-rework Fiora. I say that explicitly.

Friendly Ram3 votes

Sona tank and jungle Vi JarvanIV support Nautilus everywhere

9001Teemos15 votes

Alistar Full ap top. Burst squishies late game and ult your way out, plus his laning is bullshit levels of annoying. Blitzcrank Full ap mid for that juicy hook into 1 shot Braum AS/on-hit jungle/top, falls off hard but funny as fuck Chogath Full AP 1 shot Darius Full AD. No tank stats, just lifesteal and dunking power. Illaoi Full AD. Same as Darius but more hentai. Katarina Tank. EWQ max. Sunfire, gunblade, rylais, visage, in no specific order. Malphite Full AP 1 shot or Full AD for Mal "The Rock" Fitemus Nautilus Full AP assassin from the depths. Nunu Full AP for frozen hell Rengar Full AP. runic echoes, lich bane, zhonyas, void, dcap, etc. Sejuani AP mid. Unstoppable gank setup. Shaco AP. Probably one of the better known of these but still fun. Sion Full AD for bush surprise and post-death penta. Build 5 item 3053 for maximum effect. Warwick Full AP 1 shot weedwick 4/20 blaze it Thresh AD top Yorick Just play Yorick, he's off meta enough already.

Small Tiddies1 votes

For anyone who played the game for at least 3 or 4 seasons now, THOSE ARE OLD. WEVE DONE THAT. GIVE US SOMETHING NEW.

9001Teemos1 votes

Fuck you give ME something new if you're just gonna be a whiny, unhelpful child.

Small Tiddies2 votes

BEWARE!

AP trundle On hit effect bard AP Sivir AD Blitzcrank Full AP Hec AP Renekton AP Wukong Crittlestix AP Yorick Full AP Sion AP Rammus On Hit Effect Chogath AP Khazix On hit effect Kassadin AD Nidalee Full AP Udyr AD Karthus Full Crit Naut AP Vayne. Nothing scales. That's the point. Her base damage with gunblade and ludens is still funny though. AD Mundo AD Bruiser Annie Tank Annie AP Poppy AP Jinx AP Xin ADC SWAIN TRAIN Machine gun lulu Attack speed braum jungle. Full ad garen And my main, Lifesteal Fiora.

General Theritt3 votes

Praise lightning Shen though? Shen item 3087

Friendly Ram1 votes

Wouldn't phantom dancer be better?

Hyrum Graff12 votes

But then it's not lightning shen.

Small Tiddies1 votes

Rip

SmileInABox1 votes

Full AP malphite is fun as well.

Small Tiddies1 votes

AD used to be a thing before they changed his W.

Bladerunner777721 votes

I'd rather have a champion balanced around 1 stat than a shitshow champion that is OP in certain forms leaving it's other forms completely unviable and giving the balance team a headache to choose a direction

Dynikus15 votes

ap Tristana

Subject 56 votes

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ap Tristana

I did play AP Tristana, and it was amazing. But now it is absolutely awful. How you played AP Tristana:

E constantly to half HP, E again, ignite, ultimate and then jump on top of them. Or jump on top of them with the ultimate. Now you need to attack them like 4 times, which isn't happening in the mid lane nor the top lane and you also can't jungle with AP or you will get shat on.

SpiritGear4 votes

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I did play AP Tristana, and it was amazing. But now it is absolutely awful. How you played AP Tristana:

E constantly to half HP, E again, ignite, ultimate and then jump on top of them. Or jump on top of them with the ultimate. Now you need to attack them like 4 times, which isn't happening in the mid lane nor the top lane and you also can't jungle with AP or you will get shat on.

but I mean they did that because trist e literally had no counter play against ap you would die from an E so fast lol while it was fun as heck there wasnt really much skill in the fact that you pressed E on the enemy and the enemy hasn't left

Evewynn10 votes

Pretty much the only effective off-builds are older champs. Newer champs are pidgeonholed pretty hard. An exception to this is probably Sion, who can reasonably run a tanky AP build. Morde also retains his hybrid identity, and as much as people hate it the "tanky assassin" trend are all off-builds that became wildly popular.

Lovelle9 votes

Itemization isn't as varied as it was in past seasons. As a result, there are a lot less build options to experiment with. Riot always preaches of promoting diversity, yet they find ways to effectively kill it with each new season. The only thing in this game that has truly become more diverse with each new season is the jungle. Everything outside of that has just become more stagnant. Less (permanent) maps and the lack of a sandbox mode don't really help things either.

Athenes Lulu7 votes

I shudder at the sight of the full AP Alistar Malphite Hecarim Shaco .

Seen them in ranked before and they were pretty tough to deal with.

Also apparently my Lulu support playstyle is "unique" because most players either go full poke or full peel on her, while I shuffle around follow-ups, poke, and peel all at once.

Decrit5 votes

Actually i like what they are doing. This is not an RPG, and while having wide degrees of what to build is both good and necessary they should not endorse weirdass builds, since there are already 130+ champs that can do the same thing but better and most of these weird builds are shit either for you or the enemy ( i am not talking about old master yi AP, absolutely).

This is not a matter of meta, but a matter of design. Once you pose some main ponts you can pivot around them, or purposefully break some rules and see what's behind which is frankly far more interesting than having a barely supported build which is either weird or denies the enemy counterplay ( because that is the point of major of these builds aniway ).

DoktorKaiser3 votes

Full AD Sion Karthus style, die to get penta :D

jwn81754 votes

AP old Sion One shots with shield is fucking hilarious.

TheSingularity3 votes

Braum Atk speed jungle Nautilus Juggernaut jungle Nunu Full AP top Kassadin AD assassin jungle Orianna ADC on-hit RekSai Atk speed top Shyvana Full AP Velkoz MPen Jungle Zyra Jungle Zac Full ap mid Varus AP top Thresh Full AP mid Hecarim AP or Hybrid jungle Elise AD top Elise Hybrid jungle Jhin Jungle

blkKalameet1 votes

you mean attack speed Nautilus

and ad Thresh

TheSingularity2 votes

Nope. AP thresh ult hits like a truck and the passive provides infinite AP scaling.

While I do take atk speed quints and marks for juggernaut naut jg, no atk speed items are purchased. The core items are titanic, cinderhulk and booties. My gold income determines the order of the final 3 items which are usually a steraks, frozen mallet/heart and a dead mans. Lacks cdr (so I take 10% scaling and hog blue buff) but it's hella fun and you've got a shit load of hp to beef up your shield+enough dmg to duel most fighters 1 on 1. But then there's vayne XD

Small Tiddies2 votes

passive is not infinite, the souls give less and less armor/ap per soul. caps out eventually.

Angry Monster1 votes

why would you AS naut?

His w passive totally resets (as in it does not tick for damage) if your hit more than 1 a sec

blkKalameet1 votes

have you never seen the animation? its beautiful. its like hes having a seizure

Jhin UItd JFK3 votes

AP mid Jhin

Crit Kassadin

AP Ashe

Jungle Zyra

RamRanchDressing1 votes

Tell me more about crit Kassadin

Jhin UItd JFK1 votes

{quoted}

Tell me more about crit Kassadin

It used to be better when TriForce gave Crit, but now, take AD, Armor, CDR runes, AS Quints, rush Essence Reaver, then go PD, then IE, Merc, Kircheis Shard item. Get Zerker greaves. Crit Kassadin :D

bistroh3 votes

Kled can be built tank, bruiser, full ad, or even 100% crit just for the four auto W passive.

chubs12243 votes

AdMalzahar go withitem 1400 item 3071 item 3812 item 3158 item 3004 with a possible item 3116 if you want a guide look up aquadragon

BoilTheOil2 votes

Urgot

Noam2Kill2 votes

They also killed AP corki with the Q, R base damage nerfs and trinity force removal of AP stat. pretty lame IMO.

DemoGuide2 votes

Upvote for truth, i'm here to share some builds still working AP Rengar AP Rammus These 2 with thunderlors can easily be fun, especially in Dominion/Ascension. AP Varus - haven't played him in a long time, but i believe he is fine still. AP Maokai onhit Gnar , worked in devoyer era, but i believe he can still be fine.

And, of course its a really sad tendency that riot removes ap scalings from new and reworked champions.

Bârd3 votes

Gnar item 3091 item 3068 item 3020 item 3157 item 3001 item 3060 Gnar used confusion; it's super effective

morris12 votes

I love Rammus with item 3152, knocking into someone feels like a Michael Bay movie explosion.

Bârd2 votes

RIP AP Tristana; cancer, but funny as hell AP RekSai; your reign was short, but glorious Bursty AP Sejuani Nidalee in every position but jungle

redfeenix2 votes

Great thread ! I love the creativity you guys have for playing champions! Please keep posting more off Meta builds, I love playing weird shit :D

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