Concerning the proposed Kat changes:

Thryale·Jan 20, 2015·6 votes·963 views

I recently learned that riot is giving kat some major changes yet again, but this time around, has not consulted 2 of the best kat players in NA (unlike the last few times they did make such major changes)

After reading TiensiNoAkuma's reddit post, I have to agree that the new kat really isn't going to have a place in league. Thoughts?

Also, for your reading pleasure: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2t0e77/response_to_tentative_katarina_changes/

17 Comments

RaptameiJan 20, 20158 votes

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After reading TiensiNoAkuma's reddit post, I have to agree that the new kat really isn't going to have a place in league. Thoughts?

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/fb/fbf146d521509678306fd828b82b6f8458c28c5f92c013b11c4705762635be24.jpg

ThryaleJan 21, 20151 votes

I understand this was posted as a half joke, but can we refrain from letting it be the most upvoted comment considering it has relatively no conversational value?

LafouboyJan 20, 20152 votes

Riot is going to fuck up Kat's kit AND YOU ARE GOING TO LIKE IT!

THAT'S RIGHT YOU DIRTY SLUT. SWALLOW THAT RIOT APPROVED KAT JIZZ.

ThryaleJan 20, 20153 votes

wut

EfficientDynamoJan 20, 20152 votes

Incredibly annoying that the relevant conversations from Riot occur on platforms other than their own boards. You are going to publicly tweet an update to a champ but can't put it on the PBE or normal boards for people to see?
I can see why people might hate the hybrid Kat, but it looks like her ability to shunpo around a teamfight might be OP. Late game 30% damage reduction for 1.5 seconds, and 1.5 seconds later you shunpo to someone else. Rinse and repeat. It seems like it would be 10x worse than trying to pin down a Lee Sin.

ThryaleJan 20, 20151 votes

if that's the case, ppl won't build her hybrid, they'll build her tanky bruiser like they did the last time riot reworked her to have 20% dmg reduc for 3 secs.

Also, with 40% cdr, kat's shuunpo will be 9 secs, and 80% of that is U.R.F mode craziness (1.8 secs) which means she'll have a whopping .3 secs of vulnerability.

So yeah, good bye assassin kat, hello max cdr bruiser kat. I can see it now: Ionian boots > Frozen heart > spirit visage > bork > frozen mallet > GA/portal

EfficientDynamoJan 20, 20151 votes

Not sure I agree with that logic. She wouldn't need to go bruiser since she could get in and out very quickly. I'm not sure about the range, but it seems like it would function very similarly to Zed's shadows.

Der LindwurmJan 20, 20152 votes

This Kat will be perfectly viable by the time they're done nerfing everyone else people cry about. Everyone and everything is either being nerfed or getting some kind of "rework" that is in effect a huge nerf. It's a race to the bottom.

Good work, all the people who whine constantly about everything rather than resolving to learn and improve.

ThryaleJan 20, 20152 votes

perfectly viable as a max cdr bruiser. assassin kat will be a thing of the past.

dunno why ppl whined about kat to begin with, she was never op, unlike zed.

Rock RockburghJan 20, 20153 votes

The problem with Kat is that she's oppressive at low MMR. She's not particularly difficult to stop, she just takes some knowledge and you have to be a step ahead of her. If you don't notice that she's roaming towards you, or your mid doesn't call SS, and you're pushed out when she arrives? You're probably dead.

This isn't an issue at higher MMR, once people have learned to deal with her. However, she tends to dominate low-level matches because even if you know what to do, your teammates probably don't, and there are good odds that they won't listen to you. (If they were willing to take advice and learn, after all, they'd be higher MMR.)

BluerikuJan 21, 20151 votes

I don't like the idea of Riot balancing with low ELO in mind, I'm saying this and I'm in silver just because people don't understand a simple concept doesn't mean it should be change, it mean those people need to put a little effort into understanding. While i like to stay neutral on the tentative Kat changes (because after all they're tentative) I am interested in how she will be play with the purposed changes, after all the QQ and the sheep start to be quite, and the more knowledgeable Kat mains start to take a real crack at things.

ThryaleJan 21, 20151 votes

the problem here is that IS a true assassin. Or at least was... This new kit is going to push her to a max cdr bruiser build so ppl can abuse the her insade dmg reduction 1.8 second shuunpo.

TotalJerkJan 20, 20151 votes

A huge chunk of the roster can completely shut Kat down with one ability. She's a short ranged mage with assassin behavior, no CC and who's most effective in the positioning that a tank would find themselves in. She's only OP when your team went full retard in champion selection or simply decides not to interrupt her ult for some reason.

Poptart EvelynnJan 20, 20152 votes

I agree these changes are fucking horrible and I have no idea why they are shifting the identity of Kat.

MrBuffingtonJan 20, 20152 votes

I feel like Riot is actually pushing away from a burst meta; removal of DFG, removing burst damage from Kat, retuning champions like Ahri to be more mage-like and less assassin-like. It's interesting for sure, I think they still want certain burst champions (pure assassins, for example) to have their place but just moving burst away from a general thing a lot of champions have to compete.

I think this Katarina will be a little like Kassadin; High mobility on a very low CD (she has to target champions but in exchange it's free), targeted spells and AoE, less up-front burst but good sustained damage (assuming she's going to be hybrid). It's interesting, I want to try her out

StephenizgodJan 21, 20151 votes

I think they are pushing ALL the burst damage to pure assassins, i think it is to help them balance? If only the assassins are bursty then they dont need to wait and see which champions get too powerful, they can just know "Yep item X is too strong on assassins" or "Item X is making mages too bursty lets nerf it". That would be my guess as to why they want this change, that and they dont like the bursty meta anymore or something.