Evelynn's E should be reverted back to magic damage

Support Evelynn··58 votes·2,414 views

The reason for this nerf was because of her oppressive burst with a DFG EQ combo after the season 4 vision changes.

Since DFG is being removed she should be able to itemize penetration more easily again.

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mirAcIe14 votes

Agreed. She could also use some of the old strengths that she used to have, but they were taken away BECAUSE of DFG. For example, her ulti cd was 120/90/60 and now it's 150/120/90. 150 cooldown ulti that does virtually nothing early game is one of the most stupid things about Eve right now.

Conncept3 votes

While this would be nice in the short go, she needs an ult that actually fits an assassin/hunter.

YOU BEEN WARNED7 votes

Ok, she's not being played right now which is why I encourage this. But please rework her again if she becomes a problem ( that passive. )

Crownsy3 votes

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Ok, she's not being played right now which is why I encourage this. But please rework her again if she becomes a problem ( that passive. )

Or people could just buy a pink ward once in a blue moon when the back and upgrade to the better sweeper trinket at level 9.

Seriously, her passive is not op. you can detect her from an absurd range out, and silver level vision control shuts her down. She's been nerfed so hard because people don't want to deal with actually learning to play their lanes correctly it's absurd. I cannot rember the last time an Eve "showed up out of nowhere!!!!" and ganked my ADC as a support. it's pretty simple really:

  1. is eve visable on the map? if no, don't push out. if yes, push.
  2. is eve level 6? I should have a pink ward available at all times
  3. am I level 9? there is no excuse for me not to have a upgraded sweeper and ensure I have total vision control wherever my team is grouping.
Chromatic Eagle4 votes

To be honest no one is ever going to learn how to play against her. Having "perma-stealth" (relax I know she be countered with it) isn't something Riot wants to have anymore in my opinion.

Demonsolder212 votes

Yeah i think in her rework they might have her stealth become more of a active that has a cd.

YOU BEEN WARNED1 votes

You can have only 1 pink ward at a time as a solo player.

You need to place wards on eve's jungle if you want to see her ( same problem with Rek'sai tunnels, team snowball and Riot doesn't like that )

Pink wards cost 100g. that's 1/3rd of a kill and rewards eve for just passing by because she succeeds by default using this strategy.

When eve is strong, her early game ganks become oppressive as hell. Personally I wish she'd be allowed to lane again without limiting an entire team's early game for existing.. :\

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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You can have only 1 pink ward at a time as a solo player.

You need to place wards on eve's jungle if you want to see her ( same problem with Rek'sai tunnels, team snowball and Riot doesn't like that )

Pink wards cost 100g. that's 1/3rd of a kill and rewards eve for just passing by because she succeeds by default using this strategy.

When eve is strong, her early game ganks become oppressive as hell. Personally I wish she'd be allowed to lane again without limiting an entire team's early game for existing.. :\

You are doing it wrong. Stealth ward her camp

doubleguac4 votes

I absolutely agree that Eve is a mess right now and deserves buffs.

Since S4, though, I would argue that oppressive burst with DFG was not the cause of all her ridiculous nerfs. She's been nerfed into the ground because S4 vision changes made her too difficult to ward against in the jungle.

Eve spent something like two years as the worst champion in the game (season 1 & 2). She was originally slammed with the nerf hammer because her stealth ganks were too unpredictable, and forced people to simply play passively all the time in the laning phase.

I would argue that her current stealth does the same thing. Pink wards are expensive, and they are incredibly easy to kill. There is no practical, cost efficient way to ward against Eve at the moment, so people simply have to play passively during the laning phase to avoid being killed by her.

I don't think Riot will buff her until they find a way to make her stealth less oppressive. Until people can effectively ward against her, she is going to be kept weak.

Skia Asteri3 votes

+1

Sira Ren3 votes

YESS!

Bears Dont Care3 votes

They dis that back before rhey gutted her base damage and ratios

Poptart Evelynn2 votes

Stacking magic was only done because dfg opened up burst potential. Previous nerfs to base damage and such, this change wouldn't help much because her ap route is still bad.

I'm an Eve player saying this btw but it might help her early game as ap.

Champion Skin1 votes

It would help her jungler as well since jungle monsters have 0/-10 mr (except for baron/dragon)

Grunt6662 votes

no she is not part of the #bigplaysLCS core champs she must be unplayable!

Fear Popo2 votes

They need to revert a ton of her nerfs. AP mid eve was broken because of DFG, and as a result, they completely trashed her kit. If you are removing DFG, give us our awesome mid huntress back

1st HanarSpectre1 votes

I like being able to build her physical, just like old times though. She just really need a complete overhaul again, but seeing how Riot completely hates stealth with every fiber in their being I don't see any love going to her any time soon,

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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I like being able to build her physical, just like old times though. She just really need a complete overhaul again, but seeing how Riot completely hates stealth with every fiber in their being I don't see any love going to her any time soon,

if they made her E magic, you could still BUILD physical.

Stack AD, build sorc boots and void staff. Do mixed damage, but mostly magic damage.

DomKalavera1 votes

Main Eve here, two platinum accounts with the champion and YES. I would love to build Eve ap again.

kitcat3001 votes

We could build item 3020 again without feeling like a waste

TheKingDodo1 votes

Nah, make her Q purely physical and applies on-hit to first target hit, make her resourceless, make her w a dash, and we get stealthy Yasuo minus windwall xD she can also abuse item 3153

8yVkmwxq0D1 votes

I'd be alright with the W change if she also maintains the speed boost. So she would jump a short distance and then sprint for x seconds.

Also, if she became manaless, they'd need to do something about her passive.

I've been wanting her to slow/stun any enemy hit coming out of her passive (same as pre-rework). The easy way to counter this would be to do any damage to her before she gets to you, since you can see her coming. It won't be as crazy as she was before.

If her Q becomes physical, I'd like her E to be magic. I like her hybrid style.

The other main thing is to change her ult to something that fits her theme. The current one makes no sense on her.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

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The reason for this nerf was because of her oppressive burst with a DFG EQ combo after the season 4 vision changes.

I'm pretty sure that the reason it was changed was in order to give her a more controllable way to apply the SotEL burn, after it was changed to apply from physical damage alone, once again thanks to her abuse case with her Q.

Which means it should have been reverted back as soon as SotEL was removed anyway.

Universal Boop1 votes

It's almost impossible to jungle with her early on, but if you make it to late game without dying to every camp in your jungle and you get BotRk she does some pretty insane damage.

Rebonack1 votes

Step 1) Give her a new Innate. I'm fond of her old Malice and Spite passive. Step 2) Give her 3 seconds of true stealth on her W active OR move her passive stealth to her Ult and make the detect range decrease with level. Either of these changes would allow plays to ward against Eve in a reasonable fashion. Step 3) Buff her kit a lot. I would suggest buffing her sustained damage because heavy burst out of stealth is awful to play against. It would also help to differentiate her from the more burst-focused Knifecat and Obamabug.

Support Evelynn1 votes

{quoted} Step 2) Give her 3 seconds of true stealth on her W active OR move her passive stealth to her Ult and make the detect range decrease with level.

The first one would just feel like Shaco or Twitch and the second would just feel completely awful. Eve's stealth is really unique and would be really hard to replace.

lDontLiftIcarry1 votes

eve's E doesnt apply rylias anymore. She's done. Fuck riot Lol.

Support Evelynn1 votes

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eve's E doesnt apply rylias anymore. She's done. Fuck riot Lol.

You could just get Gauntlet if you desperately need the single target slow on E.

5G8Nri0B541 votes

She may actually need a straight up rework imo.

Or at the very least, more accessible and reliable tools to deal with her for enemy teams.

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