Congratulations riot, you killed pyke support.

JuiceBoxP·Jun 12, 2019·3 votes·1,316 views

More often than not supports don't go past level 13 in the current meta. Pyke levels w last. Thus, support pykes are going to play with reduced movement speed and healing throughout the entire game and why?

Because solo lane pyke.

They change the movement speed bonus to be 30/40/50/60/70% Instead of 40%+1.5 per 1 lethality. Pyke stacks lethality. 2 lethality items are roughly 40 lethality, that's around 100% bonus decaying movement speed

After the change he has 30% move speed until he puts more points into w.

He will now regenerate 35%(+800% ad) until he puts some points into w, instead of like 60% when he got to level 13.

Pyke is squishy as fuck because he can't build health and he needed that healing bad, especially early when his resistances are low.

Borderline disgusting NERF.

Mage supports it is then.

18 Comments

Ahri BakaJun 12, 20196 votes

He was overpowered , he needs real nerfs.

JuiceBoxPJun 12, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xlpjgz4g,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-12T11:05:06.281+0000)

He was overpowered , he needs real nerfs.

His solo lane was overpowered. Support he was arguably average.

Now his solo lane is average and his support is dumpster

Ahri BakaJun 12, 20193 votes

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His solo lane was overpowered. Support he was arguably average.

Now his solo lane is average and his support is dumpster

His Heal passive was overpowered in both support and solo lane It has nothing to do with being a solo laner its his own passive His support is not dumpster at all , its still OP

RagnaveilJun 12, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xlpjgz4g,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-12T13:25:00.174+0000)

His Heal passive was overpowered in both support and solo lane It has nothing to do with being a solo laner its his own passive His support is not dumpster at all , its still OP

And it's still far from dead.

YboatJun 12, 20193 votes

Um normally it's q, then w, then e.

JuiceBoxPJun 12, 20192 votes

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Um normally it's q, then w, then e.

No... It's q e w right now

WoodakoodashoodaJun 12, 20192 votes

Actually, it's either. Basically a dealer's choice situation.

RagnaveilJun 12, 20191 votes

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Um normally it's q, then w, then e.

As much as people are downvoting you, you aren't wrong. He's gonna be forced to max W if he wants to get away. Maxing E only ups the damage (unless they bugged the tooltip).

xxxliltrash Jun 12, 20192 votes

what if puke maxes w now

JuiceBoxPJun 12, 20193 votes

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what if puke maxes w now

He needs the damage and cd reduction on e to be relevant. Not gonna happen

xxxliltrash Jun 12, 20191 votes

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He needs the damage and cd reduction on e to be relevant. Not gonna happen

he doesn’t get cdr from leveling e and he only gets 30 ad extra for each point in e lol

JuiceBoxPJun 12, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=xxxliltrash ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xlpjgz4g,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-12T09:50:43.049+0000)

he doesn’t get cdr from leveling e and he only gets 30 ad extra for each point in e lol

Oh, i thought it reduced the cd.. nvm. But the damage is significant.

It starts at 95 and ends up at like 215 when maxed. Pretty significant. Not something you can give up on.

XJ99999999999999Jun 12, 20192 votes

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Oh, i thought it reduced the cd.. nvm. But the damage is significant.

It starts at 95 and ends up at like 215 when maxed. Pretty significant. Not something you can give up on.

and w gives plenty of good things to

its almost as if this game should have options in your skill order instead of the same thing every game

JuiceBoxPJun 12, 20191 votes

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and w gives plenty of good things to

its almost as if this game should have options in your skill order instead of the same thing every game

It's hard to have diversity when one option is directly better than the other..

XJ99999999999999Jun 12, 20191 votes

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It's hard to have diversity when one option is directly better than the other..

A good example with a champion that has to choose between what to level is Evelyn and Vi.

Vi you always max Q 1st, no question about it. Evelyn you max Q first, no question about it.

But then the W and E skills both have their playstyles and pro/cons.

Maxing W 2nd on eve allows for more CC and a magic resist shred on targets who are tanky/building MR or you need to have CC'd to actually kill them. It can also be a zoning tool, especially with the lower cooldown.

E 2nd on Eve is good if you want to power farm more with more damage and assassinate targets that aren't building MR or targets you cannot properly finish your W and are forced to proc it earlier for the slow. The extra damage in this case can be a make or break for a kill especially due to her R execute.

For Vi :

Maxing W 2nd allows for more single target damage, especially on objectives/jungle, and good against tanks. The attack speed is also underrated and is required to max 2nd if you want to make up for her scaling attack speed nerfs.

Maxing E 2nd allows you to have more charges so you can use them more frequently and more careless instead of potentially having to wait to use it.

Fargo79Jun 12, 20192 votes

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More often than not supports don't go past level 13 in the current meta. Pyke levels w last. Thus, support pykes are going to play with reduced movement speed and healing throughout the entire game and why?

Because solo lane pyke.

They change the movement speed bonus to be 30/40/50/60/70% Instead of 40%+1.5 per 1 lethality. Pyke stacks lethality. 2 lethality items are roughly 40 lethality, that's around 100% bonus decaying movement speed

After the change he has 30% move speed until he puts more points into w.

He will now regenerate 35%(+800% ad) until he puts some points into w, instead of like 60% when he got to level 13.

Pyke is squishy as fuck because he can't build health and he needed that healing bad, especially early when his resistances are low.

Borderline disgusting NERF.

Mage supports it is then.

Ya heaven forbid they nerf a support champ that was stealth, Healing, Dash with a stun, a Hook, and lets not forget the True damage Execution ulti.. in fact maybe they should give him maxed out Crit damage to start as well.. Pyke is my PERMA ban when i support.. i cant save what he ultis..

Malix FarwinJun 12, 20192 votes

A. He needed nerfs because he was overtuned.

B. he was going back to solo lanes again and Riot said a long time ago if that happened they would nerf him to force him back into support. I am more surprised about the Yuumi nerfs, even her top performers are not performing better than most other supports.

JuiceBoxPJun 12, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xlpjgz4g,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-12T12:37:40.150+0000)

A. He needed nerfs because he was overtuned.

B. he was going back to solo lanes again and Riot said a long time ago if that happened they would nerf him to force him back into support.

I will say what i said to another guy,