Midlaners that counter Ahri

Eedat·Mar 27, 2017·7 votes·1,713 views

TWO sub-50% matchups while having the highest pick rate mid and a 54% overall winrate. I'm sure the Arcade Ahri icons will be here shortly to tell me how wrong I am.

29 Comments

MarshbouyMar 27, 20179 votes

Finally people are realizing that Ahri is overpowered and has been for some time.

Kukan SeishinMar 28, 20174 votes

While you are at it

Explain why she is overpowered compared to every other mid laner right now, I'm sure you know and can explain in detail since you are so confident to post your opinion

EedatMar 28, 20174 votes

Highest pick rate and 2nd highest win rate for mid. Totally fine. No issues here

Risk of FateMar 28, 20173 votes

I'm hearing numbers and no explanations~ Maybe some actual opinions instead of statistics? I mean, Ivern is at 58% and nobody is saying anything while the Lulu threads at least are pointing out the issues with her Pix and Shield.

EedatMar 28, 20173 votes

I mean, Ivern is at 58% and nobody is saying anything

Lmao right on the front page

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/aofAyM3w-patch-614-sona-hits-58-wr-gets-hotfix-nerfs-receives-more-nerfs-on-the-two-following-patches

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/mcLcqcgp-there-is-actually-a-champion-that-makes-allies-invisible

ArakadiaMar 28, 20173 votes

Still no explanations...

Kukan SeishinMar 28, 20172 votes

I didnt ask you

MarshbouyMar 28, 20172 votes

What Eedat said. If you pulled your head out of your ass you'd see that 20% playrate 54% winrate is enough to warrant a nerf.

Kukan SeishinMar 28, 20172 votes

Explain why she is overpowered compared to every other mid laner right now, I'm sure you know and can explain in detail since you are so confident to post your opinion

That isn't you telling me why she is op and in need of nerfs, merely stating winrate

I Stealth IMar 28, 20172 votes

I think what's going on is that most champs that hit a large PR/WR,get nerf'd them. What OP is saying is "why is Ahri not nerfed while others are?"

MarshbouyMar 28, 20171 votes

I'm no balance expert and I will not claim to be. I am merely reading the signs, not knowing the cause. Just because I cannot explain the cause behind it to you does not mean that there is no cause.

Explain to me how she can stay at such high winrates and playrates for so long? She has been like this for most of season 6 too. I've been watching.

Kukan SeishinMar 29, 20171 votes

She is Safer then most mid laners She can make picks And has a bit of wave clear

However

She has low range She has low base damages and scaling http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri And if she doesn't get a lead she will never be able to delete someone like a traditional assassin

Because of her safety and pick ability it is not hard for her to keep a good winrate, however that doesn't translate to her being overpowered

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 28, 20171 votes

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Explain why she is overpowered compared to every other mid laner right now, I'm sure you know and can explain in detail since you are so confident to post your opinion

That isn't you telling me why she is op and in need of nerfs, merely stating winrate

For being extremely safe with a large number of tools and having next to no bad matchups, all while scaling incredibly well

Does this have to be "explained in detail" in every Ahri thread? You'd think you'd know this already

Kukan SeishinMar 29, 20171 votes

Ahri has next to no bad matchups

Are you serious? Lemme lay them out

Akali Anivia Cassiopeia Katarina Jayce Malzahar Syndra Yasuo Zed Talon Vladimir

She has one cc spell, that being a skill shot that eats mana and has a long cd early game All her abilites have low base damage and low scaling http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri Her Q has low range Her W has low range and low damage Her E has range but is a thin line skillshot Her R is her only way to go and make picks In most cases she has to use her ultimate first to make a pick using her E, which is not a easy to land CC. Ahri, does not scale NEARLY as well as other mid laners, and is HEAVILY reliant on landing her skill shots to work

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 29, 20171 votes

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Are you serious? Lemme lay them out

She has one cc spell, that being a skill shot that eats mana and has a long cd early game All her abilites have low base damage and low scaling http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri Her Q has low range Her W has low range and low damage Her E has range but is a thin line skillshot Her R is her only way to go and make picks In most cases she has to use her ultimate first to make a pick using her E, which is not a easy to land CC. Ahri, does not scale NEARLY as well as other mid laners, and is HEAVILY reliant on landing her skill shots to work

2.24 AP ratio on just her basic rotation alone 12 seconds is incredibly short compared to things like 25 second WW and 16 second Syndra stun 880 range is not by any stretch of the imagination "short", you just might have brain damage It was established on champion.gg that she does not lose to those champions, they are not counterpicks Yes, a champion uses their abilities to make picks. Isn't it great how Ahri can ignore her own positioning requirements by dashing at the enemy?

You can claim a bunch of things with no evidence as much as you want, maybe you should actually read the numbers you're "quoting"

Kukan SeishinMar 29, 20171 votes

Q DAMAGE PER PASS: 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 35% AP) 」 W MAGIC DAMAGE ON FIST ORB: 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 40% AP) ON REST SECOND AND THIRD 12 / 19.5 / 27 / 34.5 / 42 (+ 12% AP) 」 E MAGIC DAMAGE 60 / 95 / 130 / 165 / 200 (+ 50% AP) R MAGIC DAMAGE: 70 / 110 / 150 (+ 30% AP) 」

How in the fuck can you even say her ratios are high compared to any other mid lane mage.

Yes, a champion uses their abilities to make picks. Isn't it great how Ahri can ignore her own positioning requirements by dashing at the enemy?

Ahri has to blow her Ultimate to make a pick most of the times, and she HAS TO land a SKILL SHOT to do it

880 range is not by any stretch of the imagination "short"

IT IS SHORT YOU CAN'T POKE WITH THIS period

12 seconds is incredibly short compared to things like 25 second WW and 16 second Syndra stun

Considering it does little damage at almost all stages of the game, I would say a shorter cooldown is what makes it a viable ability

2.24 AP ratio on just her basic rotation alone

How did you even come up with this? No math that makes sense makes this even close to accurate Lets look at syndras, since you think Ahri's AP ratio is so high on her basic spell roation, lets do a comparison! Ahri Q 35% per pass you have hit it the twice to get the full damage W 40% on first hit 12% for the rest total E 50%

Syndra Q 75% (only need to hit it once, and is still 5% more) W 70% (Not even close to equal to Ahri's W) E 50% (Equal to Ahri's)

Wtf does 2.24 AP ratio even mean? 2.24 percent? Her base abilites add up to the doing 224%? If that's the case, NO, THEY FKING DONT

Ahri 70% + 40% + 12% + 12% + 50% = 1.84

Syndra on the other hand 75% + 70% + 50% = 1.95

Where the hell did you get that Ahri's basic spell roataion got up to 2.24?

Even with Ahri's R (which is a 30% ratio on each activation) it goes to 70% + 40% + 12% + 12% + 50% + 90% assuming that is how you are doing your math

Guess what Syndra's is with only 4 orbs is 75% + 70% + 50% + 60% + 60% = 3.15

Your math Is horse shit And this is me assuming this is how you did it And if it isn't Enlighten me I'm waiting

Edit: "You can claim a bunch of things with no evidence as much as you want, maybe you should actually read the numbers you're "quoting""

Numbers are something I do look at Apparently you don't

IncarcerationMar 27, 20173 votes

Please spread the awareness. Fking retarded no skill champ.

hurr-durr skillshots. fk off.

ArakadiaMar 28, 20172 votes

No skill? Her Q and E do require aim, especially E. Maybe you need to practice dodging or your fighting extra good Ahris.

Second, positioning safely so your Q hits both ways requires skill. Animation canceling takes skill, and you should know that sense you've played alot of Riven. Fourth, mana and cooldown management takes skill. Maybe you wouldn't know that sense your top 3 most played champions don't have mana or long cooldowns. And fifth, Ahri has to flank or juke the enemy out if she wants to get to the backline. Because as long as theirs a Rammus and Braum in the way, she isn't going to be able to touch their Caitlyn.

Finally, low skill requirement DOES NOT mean a champion should be nerfed.

IncarcerationMar 28, 20171 votes

Many champions have skillshots, yet they don't stomp as hard as Ahri and definitely require more skill than she does.
Positioning doesn't mean shit when you have that much mobility. You have 3 dashes to reposition yourself to land skillshots. Other champions have to take far greater risks to pull off the same shit she does, and other champions have to actually give a shit about their positioning because they don't have a get out of jail free card with their kit.
I only know of one animation cancel that she has which actually takes skill. That is her E-Q combo. Hell, even Caitlyn has more animation cancels that take more skill than whatever she does and actually punishes her if she fails to pull it off.
Top 3 most played champs, hahahaha. HAHAHAHAHA. Two of them are dirt trash champions with high cds like windwall and living shadow, and even if you want to bring that up, look at my highest winrate champions. All of them require much more management than "mana management" such as scaling issues, and actual positioning (especially with my ball), and please, mages haven't had issues with mana since the MYMU. Veigar doesn't even have to build Seraphs and he still won't run out of mana.
CC is a weakness for everyone. Ahri should have real weaknesses, not be a generalist and be decent at all of her bullshit without actually giving something major up.
Low skill requirement is just one of the number of reasons why this stupid bullshit champion needs to have her kit scrapped.

Cuddly WolfyMar 29, 20171 votes

You know...... I seem to remember that same exact arguement being said about Zed..... Only thing that REALLY changed was some items and you hear next to nothing about him anymore.

Any champion can be complete and utter BS when played if your good with that champion, i remember making an Ahri not want to play against another Zilean ever just in one game of mid.

Decent in everything? Lol, her burst is less than most mid laners, if vs a good Katarina or someone who has mobility to match her, or someone like veigar who just has to hit his W, Q, R and Ahri's ancestors feel the hit..... Then she is unable to perform most of her combos unless its a supernatural Ahri player, who again, if played well every champion is complete and utter bs.

Her winrate being so high is simply due to the fact that unlike most mid laners, she can play passive better than the others. Shes much more opportunistic.... She can try to engage but that puts her at a much greater risk, where if she just waits for the enemy to make a play..... Thats where she messes people up.

The reason she is able to be more passive and get away with it is due to her healing passive. She can heal up and potentially poke the enemy mid laner with her Q, so she gives melee champions like Zed and Talon a harder time.

Problem with healing up like that is she has to push the wave. Thus why she roams often, and why your team needs to have wards out and pings need to be given of when shes missing. Oh wait, thats the same as most mid laners btw.

I mean, even a level 19 can figure THAT out lol. Jk, yes i have a main i just dont feel like posting on it atm.

RalanrMar 27, 20172 votes

Fiddles mid OP.

D3m37r1Mar 27, 20171 votes

Crittlesticks ftw

Sire HippingtonMar 28, 20171 votes

After all the buffs aimed at his still not that great jungle? Certainly not weak right now, though probably even stronger as support.

Kukan SeishinMar 28, 20172 votes

Tf doesn't counter Ahri, neither does fiddle, everything else can work tho

Hi I'm an Ahri icon,

Fk you

EedatMar 28, 20173 votes

The graph clearly says TF doesn't.

Thanks for agreeing with me

Risk of FateMar 28, 20171 votes

TF is a good Ahri counter in terms of he has better map presence than she could provide. Haven't laned against a fiddle, but I can see how his crow of annoyance can mess up her combo.

Don't have my Ahri Icon on right now, wanted my Ele Lux one.

FooDangMar 28, 20172 votes

There must be some really bad Annies out there because she dumpsters Ahri.

Ruin LanceMar 28, 20172 votes

yeah currently she is very overpowered (as she has been for at least 20 patches straight) but I get so many free wins off of people who are bad that one-tricked Ahri to diamond that I don't even know if I want her to be nerfed lmao.

RákãñMar 30, 20171 votes

Ahri tends to roam to get fed anyways, but the type of laners I could hardly win against is Syndra, Annie, Veigar, Brand, Fizz, Vel'Koz, and Cho'Gath.

I'm only a bronze 3 Ahri main currently though. I'm still learning all the champions so I can naturally know their strengths and weaknesses. So my experience may be easy for other Ahri mains, but I personally suck laning against with these guys.