We have two items that are designed to deal with current ADCs problems that aren't cutting it.

TotalJerk··1 votes·674 views

We've obviously all been hearing the "ADCs in 2017" meme for a while, now. Part of the reason they struggle so much is that pretty much everything nowadays has an easy time locking them down or blowing them up before they can live long enough to significantly contribute before the late game. When both item 3072 and item 3812 were conceived, both of them were intended to be items you'd buy against bursty champions. The problem is that far less ADCs are buying Bloodthirster than before the marksman update, and few are buying Death's Dance at all. My suggestion is to look at these items for changes to partially alleviate the problem.

Maybe give Bloodthirster a better shield at early levels, or rebalance Death's Dance to favor ADCs more instead of basically being an assassin item by giving it crit or attack speed instead of CDR, I dunno. The point is that despite ADCs struggling against exactly what these items counter, these items aren't being bought in significant numbers.

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Lauchmelder7 votes

The "ADC in 2k17 LuL" meme was made by bad ADCs. They are in no way bad in itself.

Mig891 votes

This^

Ravenhale1 votes

I wouldn't blame "bad" ADC mains. I first heard the ADC in 2k17 LUL from Nightblue, in the context of how easy it was for him to kill any marksmen as a Jungler (which honestly existed before the 2k17). I later heard it echoed by QTPie and Gosu, both recognized as ADC mains, somewhat endorsing a "problem" and giving momentum to this movement. It's obviously been popularized by known streamers, so blaming bronze/silver ADC mains feels incorrect.

Lauchmelder2 votes

Do you also know why QT or Gosu say/said it? Because, like you mentioned, Solado3 said it was easy to kill ADCs. That was nothing new. The main problem with the meme is people using it for "ADC is weak" instead of "Powercreep is too much".

Ravenhale2 votes

I thought it amusing because I first heard it after the rework on Rengar. The whole time I was thinking... a fed Rengar could do this before the rework. This is nothing new.

It felt like QT and Gosu started agreeing with this when the META shifted to Bot Lane stomping. QT was saying stuff like the role's only goal was to survive, which had so little to do with the role being weak but rather the inability to deal with the new META because of the priority of First Blood Tower. Marksmen didn't grow "weaker". It was just a matter of their early game weakness being exploited, which is why we started seeing strong early game Marksmen getting prioritized for picks.

Those "ADC are weak" believers have varying complaints such as Tanks being too hard to kill, non lethality marksmen not viable, AP Carry "Supports", and towers being too weak to protect them. It's like they have forgotten that Marksmen in general are meant to have weak early games, so they should struggle in any game that is geared around ending quickly. This is an issue for all late game champions, not just marksmen.

TotalJerk2 votes

Bad isn't exactly the word I'd use. But people have been bitching and I just threw that in there to appeal to them. I just honestly believe that Bloodthirster and Death's Dance simply aren't doing their specific jobs well enough and its probably a source of a lot of ADC frustration nowadays. Nobody is buying Bloodthirster for the shield and Death's Dance is too catered towards assassins instead of marksmen unless their name is Graves.

Maximum Morde3 votes

U kidding me brah, adcs in every fkin match. Tell me again how bad they are?

Touch My Box1 votes

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U kidding me brah, adcs in every fkin match. Tell me again how bad they are?

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