Why does everyone think sunfire sucks?

FortisDominus·Jan 27, 2016·1 votes·379 views

I think its fine a fine item to get now after the buffs, so why does everyone still think this item sucks?

11 Comments

WalkingInACircleJan 27, 20162 votes

The move speed on deadmans is more useful in 90% of situations. Randuins is tankier than either with its AS slow.

FortisDominusJan 27, 20161 votes

I dont know, the 1 second decaying slow is not that big of a deal and neither is the 100 damage it grants. The movement speed is good, but its a one time use when in a teamfight while the sunfire cape is always burning strong and the sunfire cape is also cheaper. I personally favor the sunfire cape, but i still pick up deadmans depending on the champion im playing as.

ProfirixJan 27, 20161 votes

Most of the time all it takes is one good initiation. Dead Man's Plate gives most of the champions that use it to catch their targets. Sunfire is really only good for farming or when you can stick in a teamfight for more than a couple of seconds. The utility of DMP is just too good to pass up for a small damage over time aura.

The worst part is, if they go ahead and nerf the movement of DMP, then no one will ever buy it.

BLACK REALM GODJan 27, 20161 votes

like all items it depends on the champ you use and how you use the item. most of the hate towards sunfire is based on repeating what the higher level players think. its not as useful as it used to be back when you could stack it and at one point it was completely worthless. it's just a sort of league faux pas to use it in higher play because the items use is limited to early game advancement when players are low in hp and magic resist, but the items overall cost could be used to further your build. i recommend buying the item 3751 item if you want something similar to the effect and then dumping it off for a higher item after snowball and only using it to wave clear. not to mention it will affect your ability to last hit. if you're not using item 3165 item 3001 with it then you're not getting full potential either so you're stuck using it with a mage tank or mage fighter, but all three of those items have a better alternative such as buying actual damage to wave clear which ensures last hitting on minions. the 40% health wounding works best on people using lfestealing items and so you're going to be limiting your success in top lane if you're playing top, but item 3123 is cheaper and helps with last hitting. neither build off of each other so you're stuck getting items and selling them which doesnt work. over all you're better off building a single chain of items cause league is about getting gold and xp to win. if you're spending all your time at the shop swapping items out you miss out on that and you're wasting gold. that being said if you want to put it on a singed go right ahead. he'll benefit from it totally.

Old Man TeetoJan 27, 20161 votes

It's weaker in comparison because it's meant as an early rush item to help long fights and wave pushing.

Most champions can't rush it anymore since it loses in fights against item 3074 item 3071 both fairly rushable items.

At second/third item it's just worse stats than a Deadman's and by 4/5'th item it's horrible defensively compared to Randuins.

I've see Poppy rush Sunfire a few times successfully, as well as Shen, likely because of how sticky they are and how Black Cleaver/Hydra aren't that fantastic on them (Cleaver on Poppy seems good, but not as well as it feels on like Darius/Renekton etc)

FortisDominusJan 28, 20161 votes

sunfire is much cheaper then those 2 items, but i dont know i just think sunfire is underrated now. Yea its not amazing, but its not bad enough to never be used.