Fiora is difficult to counter, but she is not invincible.

YumaS2Astral··5 votes·1,265 views

I get that many people want Riot to do something against Fiora. Indeed, she has a lot of % max health true damage, can build tanky and still do lots of damage, and is unduelable late game. I expect Fiora to be nerfed soon.

However, Fiora is not invincible. There are ways to deal with her. I don't understand why everyone makes Fiora sound like she is the most OP champion that has ever existed.

Contrary to the popular belief, there are counterpicks to her. The difference is that all those counterpicks are outscaled by Fiora once she has a few items, and FIora can outduel them late game. But some of them still have ways to deal with her at that point of game. For example, Darius is a difficult match for Fiora because he can bully and zone Fiora during the early game, outsustaining her and even outtrading if Fiora dares to try to 1x1 him during the early game. Lulu, if played correctly, can outbully Fiora. She can't directly 1x1 her, but Lulu can prevent her teammates from being murdered by Fiora late game due to her insane amount of peel and CC.

There are also other countermeasures against Fiora. For example, because she lacks waveclear natural waveclear, you can shove the lane against Fiora and then she has to choose: Either she sits there, farming, or she can prevent you from roaming. This problem has been made worse with item 3077 nerf: now she actually has to complete this item to have waveclear.

Another countermeasure is that Fiora's Q is short ranged. It is a reliable escape, but not if Fiora is overextending. Bait her in doing that, and call for ganks.

And lastly, try to back off if you see that there is a vital facing Fiora. If you stay out of her range and goes far enough, your vital will be reseted. By doing that, you can control the way that Fiora can proc her vitals, because you have control of where they will spawn on you.

22 Comments

therealdragon5 votes

Reason why everyone hates fiora?

Passive=true damage Q=unlimited dashes that prioritize passive w=block ANY abilities in the timeframe (including spells) from ANY direction e=....no one really hates this but its just 2 attacks that help you get closer and kill the target r=fuckton of true damage that also heals you

I always ban her no matter what because lategame, she does ult+passive+ignite+other true dmg somehow and thats like 60% true damage right there. There should not be THAT much true damage on a champ. Like on her ult or her passive I get, but both is just way too much.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Reason why everyone hates fiora?

Passive=true damage Q=unlimited dashes that prioritize passive w=block ANY abilities in the timeframe (including spells) from ANY direction e=....no one really hates this but its just 2 attacks that help you get closer and kill the target r=fuckton of true damage that also heals you

I always ban her no matter what because lategame, she does ult+passive+ignite+other true dmg somehow and thats like 60% true damage right there. There should not be THAT much true damage on a champ. Like on her ult or her passive I get, but both is just way too much.

True, but the problem is when everyone starts to spam the boards with threads with hate against Fiora, most of them without arguments to explain why she deserve nerfs.

Even though she is broken does not mean that she cannot be beaten. Not even old Kassadin and old Warwick were invincible, despite the fact that they were as much of pick/ban as new Fiora currently is. If there was a truly invincible champion, Riot would probably hotfix him.

Saianna1 votes

Fiora, squishy Fiora stacking AD indeed has some counterplay. Even though just the amount of dashes asks for a nerf. You wanna skillshot a Fiora? Wait till she DCs, that's your only chance.

What makes alot of players angry is: Tank Fiora.

Dashing Abomination of % HP True Damage

KnKitsune2 votes

I've seen a Darius LOOK like he was dominating the enemy Fiora during the early lane. He got 2 kills off her. After that, she won every 1v1 against him.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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I've seen a Darius LOOK like he was dominating the enemy Fiora during the early lane. He got 2 kills off her. After that, she won every 1v1 against him.

She does that against everyone. After she complete 2 items, she can outduel everyone.

However, Darius can be considered a counterpick because he has all the tools to make Fiora's lane phase a hell and delay her items for a long time, and even snowball if Fiora doesn't manage to play safe.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

She can beat all champions at 1v1(Including Jax).

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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She can beat all champions at 1v1(Including Jax).

There are some champions that you should avoid trying to 1x1 because they are just insanely good at dueling. If Fiora was nerfed so that she couldn't 1x1 anyone anymore, would that mean that Jax would deserve nerfs?

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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There are some champions that you should avoid trying to 1x1 because they are just insanely good at dueling. If Fiora was nerfed so that she couldn't 1x1 anyone anymore, would that mean that Jax would deserve nerfs?

We know Jax is duello master (the best 1v1 champion) but Fiora can beat him.Big absurdity.Atleast she must not beat Jax at 1v1.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

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We know Jax is duello master (the best 1v1 champion) but Fiora can beat him.Big absurdity.Atleast she must not beat Jax at 1v1.

Oh thats weird, the person who was made to be the best duelist can beat people in a duel? Holy shit. And why should Jax be able to beat her? is he super special? No. You want him to be, but that does not make it so.

disregardable2 votes

It's funny you say that, because her w makes her invincible.

"OH, I'm about to die? Here, let me just W so you waste all of your abilities then flash out. Oh your poor ADC that didn't hit me with any ability is in my way? I can stun him and 2 shot him because YOU hit me! Teamwork OP".

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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It's funny you say that, because her w makes her invincible.

"OH, I'm about to die? Here, let me just W so you waste all of your abilities then flash out. Oh your poor ADC that didn't hit me with any ability is in my way? I can stun him and 2 shot him because YOU hit me! Teamwork OP".

Kayle's ult makes her invincible. Does she needs nerfs?

HandheldBrandon2 votes

For 2 seconds and kayle is mostly immobile without any percent health true damage and super mobility on top of a free crit plus a huge aoe heal.

disregardable3 votes

Plus, Fio's is on a basic ability. Move Riposte's invulnerable to only work when her ult is up and it'd be still annoying but at least counterplayable.

Saianna2 votes

Don't forget that Kayle can be CCd while invicible...

stealthfox941 votes

Malphite

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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Malphite

Only supposed counter.

NazZomLord1 votes

Ryze Because win

ZephyrDrake1 votes

it doesn't matter whether she is invincible or not, she is super annoying, frustrating and a pain to deal with at all stages. If she gets ahead (something she can do quite easily) then she can easily take over the entire game due to how stupidly annoying and broken her combination of %true damage and mobility is and that is without even taking her AoE heal into account. Fiora needs to be addressed, either lower/remove her mobility or her %true damage

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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it doesn't matter whether she is invincible or not, she is super annoying, frustrating and a pain to deal with at all stages. If she gets ahead (something she can do quite easily) then she can easily take over the entire game due to how stupidly annoying and broken her combination of %true damage and mobility is and that is without even taking her AoE heal into account. Fiora needs to be addressed, either lower/remove her mobility or her %true damage

I personally find Riven to be "super annoying, frustrating and a pain to deal with at all stages" but for different reasons from Fiora - that said, I still know how to deal with her.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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I personally find Riven to be "super annoying, frustrating and a pain to deal with at all stages" but for different reasons from Fiora - that said, I still know how to deal with her.

you can know all you want about how to deal with her, it doesn't change the fact that she needs changes and is super oppressive in lane. Riven is so much easier to deal and counter than Fiora is not even funny but if you have a harder time with Riven than with Fiora then good for you i guess. Fiora is an issue right now while Riven is at best a minor annoyance

alfavhunter1 votes

I'll post my suggestion to how to nerf her without destroying her when I get home

Pawn of hearts1 votes

I play both Fiora and darious before both of them get the rework and also both after the rework because I simply love them both.

the old fiora against the old darious is a disaster just ff the new fiora and the new darious they fought in equal footing

somehow people complain so much of the new fiora, (op this op that etc..) but I cant seem to do good with the new fiora. the fact that it require skill to play her now is exciting

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