If you expect Riot to remove part of a kit and rework strong champs you're going to be disappointed

Rock MD··28 votes·12,976 views

Riot isn't going to remove stuff from champions' kits just because "it's toxic" when half the time that's what makes them enjoyable to play as. This is especially true when you consider almost all of these champs could have proper counterplay introduced through number tuning

Riot isn't going to remove Yasuo's windwall (and for the people complaining about it here, it blows my mind you choose to complain about that skill when that's by far the most reasonable ability in his kit), they're not going to rework Kai'sa, they won't take the summoner spells off Zoe's W.

Why? It's unique. It's the champion's theme. It doesn't mean they're some unbalanceable mess it means you need to look at balancing the kit differently.

For example, let's look at Zoe. A couple months ago people were pissed because, "well the W makes it so she can just outtrade you even when she's melee range, remove the damage and/or MS buff." That's just not going to happen. And again, it's not what made Zoe toxic to play against. In high elo, Zoe was toxic because in lane you space so that if someone waveclears with a spell instead of trading, you punish it and force them off the wave. You can't do that to Zoe because her skills (which, in a late game teamfight or skirmish have good counterplay) allowed her to push the wave without any interaction from the opponent unless they picked an assassin. And to top it all off, it's so hard to get on top of the champion but it was extraordinarily difficult to roam and it was difficult to jump on her. What else could you do besides waveclear and hope you outscaled? I suggested nerfing the damage from her Q and E so that it was harder for her to waveclear and oneshot before specific levels (unless you made a grave mistake), and start balancing her around her W mechanic since it certainly was one Riot DOES NOT want to remove.

This is applicable to Kai'sa as well. There are a lot of complaints that Kai'sa's changes will not fix her, but what are the actual problems with her? Let's look at her kit.

  1. She's a short ranged ADC
  2. She's supposed to assassinate targets
  3. She's supposed to be rewarded for good ults

So it's safe to say that she needs her R mobility, needs her invisibility, and needs burst.

What does this leave her with that "can be removed"? Her shield, her AS buff. That's about it, and if you think about any Kai'sa player, that's not something that they (myself included) would want to lose. It wouldn't feel good and there are better alternatives.

So you can nerf her burst, her safety, or her DPS. I personally wanted to see lower shield values since that thing is massive, but Riot wants to nerf her DPS. Why? Because this doesn't fit the design Riot had intended for her. It also makes it so that she has champions that can be picked into her (tanks) and it will at the very least force her into a specific build path to deal with her.

I personally think it's a great choice because it doesn't destroy a kit that a lot of people actually love (okay and some use to collect free LP), it introduces a form of counterplay, and it's done almost exclusively through changing numbers. Not the kit itself. Don't expect Riot to destroy kits, especially when number fixes can definitely get the job done with less messy work. If you expect otherwise, you'll be disappointed.

63 Comments

Imgartn6 votes

Issue is not the wall itself but the fact it stops more than it should. E.g. Ornn ult.

BugsLivesMatters4 votes

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Issue is not the wall itself but the fact it stops more than it should. E.g. Ornn ult.

Yeah, I'm perfectly ok with windwall. But being able to stop an ultimate, I think is a bit too much power on a fairly low cooldown ability.

Also, in what universe does wind stop a giant ram engulfed in flames charging at you?

SithesisLord6 votes

In the same world it stops a metal ball, a depth charge, and a tidal wave.

Glaricion2 votes

This really got me, thought windwall blocked "projectiles", not every attack and ability that wasn't a melee AA.

First time against Yasuo I was playing as Nami. When he blocked my ult with windwall I was rather pissed.

Ralanr1 votes

It really shows how many things in league are coded as projectiles.

Pika Fox2 votes

Ornn ult is a projectile... Should be stopped.

DrCyanide4 votes

A ghost that runs on the ground in a straight line is a "projectile", but a bird that flies through the air in a straight line (Hawkshot) isn't a "projectile".

Lets just agree that Riot could code Ornn's ult to not be considered a projectile if they wanted to.


My personal problem with Windwall is that it works at the last possible moment, even when pointed the complete wrong direction. At least have the wall spawn in front of him so if he doesn't aim he gets penalized for it. It's suppose to be a wall, not an instant self cast shield.

Pika Fox2 votes

Wouldnt make sense if they made a projectile not blockable. It blocks all projectiles.

Ashe's hawkshot doesnt actually interact with anything, and thus likely isnt considered a projectile.

DrCyanide3 votes

Hawkshot is not a pet, minion, or champion. It's a spell that travels from point A to point B. By definition, Hawkshot is a projectile, and it's a projectile that Windwall doesn't block. Windwall also doesn't block the Scryer's Bloom projectile, which applies a debuff to those hit.

You can't just say "vision doesn't interact with anything so it's ignored" when the vision part of Twisted Fate's ult can be blocked by spell shields or cleansed away. That sets a precedence for vision granting abilities to be negated, so there's no reason for Windwall to not follow that precedence.

Since Hawkshot and Scryer's Bloom are projectiles that grant vision they should either be blockable or you live with the fact that Riot can pick and choose which projectiles they let through Windwall. If you say Riot can pick and choose, then they can just as easily choose to allow Ornn's ult through.

Pika Fox1 votes

Hawkshot doesnt reveal champions, it just removes the fog of war for an area it travels over.

Scryers isnt a champion ability, and likely isnt coded as such.

DrCyanide3 votes

Hawkshot is still a projectile ability fired from a champion. Does Windwall block all projectiles fired from champions or not?

Pika Fox1 votes

If this is the hill you wanna die on, youre not gunna do well.

Hawkshot isnt a projectile, as windwall doesnt block it. Simple as that.

Hawkshot doesnt interact with anything, and just removes fog of war. You can probably attribute this to spaghetti code, but in order to be a projectile, it needs to be a tangible thing that interacts with objects. Ashe E does not.

And no, its not similar to TF r. TF ult applies a debuff to a champion, reveling the area around them while the debuff is in effect. Ashes hawkshot doesnt interact with anything on the map itself.

DrCyanide3 votes

Looks like the Wiki claims that Yasuo's projectile blocking ability stops Hawkshot, but Braum's projectile blocking ability does not. Only goes to show they can add exceptions to what these abilities block.

Pika Fox1 votes

.... Youre the one who claimed it didnt block hawk in the first place....

And braums requires the ability to hit and do damage iirc. Or at least hit him. His is slightly different.

DrCyanide3 votes

Lets just agree that Riot could code Ornn's ult to not be considered a projectile if they wanted to.

I believe the point stands, regardless of which projectile blocker chooses to ignore a specific projectile.

U R Good At Game1 votes

I think your missing the point in an attempt to be a smart ass. Yes we all know shit like ornns ult is coded like a projectile. The argument isn't whether the system recognizes them as a projectile or not. Its the physical fact that a ram walking on the ground or a tidal wave is literally not a projectile in real word.

Poop Johnson1 votes

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Hawkshot is still a projectile ability fired from a champion. Does Windwall block all projectiles fired from champions or not?

The actual projectile is probably just visual fluff so you know what is happening and the vision is given regardless of the projectile or not.

Alzon1 votes

It interacts with Duskblade and Pyke’s passive.

Hayaishi24 votes

They should just make everyone toxic to play against then.

Rock MD3 votes

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They should just make everyone toxic to play against then.

Name a champion that became top tier in solo or competitive play that wasn't toxic.

And some of those champions (mid Soraka) needed reworks, but they are few and far between. Most champions fell out of meta after just a few number shifts.

Hayaishi22 votes

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Name a champion that became top tier in solo or competitive play that wasn't toxic.

And some of those champions (mid Soraka) needed reworks, but they are few and far between. Most champions fell out of meta after just a few number shifts.

Varus? not talking about the poke builds.

Rock MD7 votes

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Varus? not talking about the poke builds.

"Oh yes my favorite champion isn't toxic because I moved the goal post, excluded builds he's used when he was meta in the past, and I like him the most."

lmao

Also he's still incredibly been frustrating to play against with Guinsoo's BotRK. I don't know a single melee that actually could play into that matchup besides Camille and maybe reworked Irelia.

TheSingularity4 votes

Ivern Rumble Syndra Taliyah Taric Velkoz came to mind Rather enjoy these.

Rock MD10 votes

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Ivern Rumble Syndra Taliyah Taric Velkoz came to mind Rather enjoy these.

Rumble in his prime makes tops not wanna play the game.

Syndra does the same to mid.

Taliyah was extraordinarily unbalanced. Even KRs hated her because she could make a D1 low Master KR player's mistakes unpunishable because of how hard she shoved and traded.

Taric is cool but I can definitely see why he'd be frustrating.

2 words come to mind when you say Vel: Glacial. Augment.

Ivern was pretty busted and obnoxious to play against. He had a 58% winrate in high elo and everyone was like, "yeah man he's fine."

Cavesloth2 votes

Yeah, but Vel's isn't the champs fault, that's the runes fault. So its the rune that has a toxic interaction (and it wasn't limited to Vel), not the champ.

LTK KoRo10 votes

Currently?

Without much thinking: Olaf, Gragas, Alistar, Swain, Sivir. These aren't cancerous to play against, have clear strengths, weaknesses and counterplay. And all of them are a decent picks during current worlds.

Im pretty sure there are more of them, but i would need to check what was played

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Agreed. Clone CertainlyT a hundred times and make them rework the entire roster.

Maybe then people will shut up about "overloaded kits" or whatever.

Albus Rumbledore4 votes

Riot isn't going to remove stuff from champions' kits just because "it's toxic" when half the time that's what makes them enjoyable to play as

Yes, and half of the time that's what makes them unfair/unenjoyable to play against

Riot isn't going to remove Yasuo's windwall

Cuz, it's totally fair, when you time it right to block skillshot that is coming from 45° right?

"well the W makes it so she can just outtrade you even when she's melee range, remove the damage and/or MS buff." That's just not going to happen. And again, it's not what made Zoe toxic to play against. In high elo, Zoe was toxic because in lane you space so that if someone waveclears with a spell instead of trading, you punish it and force them off the wave.

Statining that Q was broken does not rebut that W was/is as well.

  1. What is reason behind implementing RNG into game about skill? Like crit isn't enough? Let's add dragons, plans and now Zoe?
  2. Why was summoners spells made? To make potencial to outplay/to excuse mistakes(mainly flash here). And she just removes this. Not only that she will have 1 more flash, but she will also get ms and more dmg out of it? As Ahri main, tell me that Zoe's W isn't just superior to Ahri's W and it costs no mana and it provides you with Sspells, ms and damage, It even has bigger ap scaling.
  3. Her E active is OK now in my opinion, but why, just why is there true dmg as well, I'm not Dia as you are so idk, but it just seems (R-word)ed to me.
  4. Again, I'm not high elo as you, but waveclearing with spell is room for poking with every single champ I played so far, right?

You can't do that to Zoe because her skills (which, in a late game teamfight or skirmish have good counterplay) allowed her to push the wave without any interaction from the opponent unless they picked an assassin.

What counter play? Set a tank in front of target, yeah, that's the way. Like she was only one that stands far back while farming(she don't actually cuz q can't oneshot whole wave as Xerath, Brand, Lux etc.)

And to top it all off, it's so hard to get on top of the champion but it was extraordinarily difficult to roam and it was difficult to jump on her.

Did you just stated by yourself that not only her Q was broken? Why can't you get on top of her? Cuz of her E. Why can't you roam? Cuz you never know if you'll get hit by E(and also her not bad wave clear)

I suggested nerfing the damage from her Q and E so that it was harder for her to waveclear and oneshot before specific levels (unless you made a grave mistake), and start balancing her around her W mechanic since it certainly was one Riot DOES NOT want to remove.

But it would be rly nice if she had her dmg on skillshots? She can oneshot you with her skillshots + she has guaranteed enormous amounts of dmg without doin anything...

Are you saying that Kaisa is ok? Of course no Kaisa players wants to lose anything from their favorite champs kit. Yeah you can look at kaisa from your 3 points, but she have mixed dmg, % hp dmg, she is mobille, she have shield(too big), AS buff, her Q is so stupid, just press the button and they will disappear GJ. It is too much in one champ...

And we can go on and on and we will find more and more, but after all it doesn't rly matter, what matter is to know what is OP, so you know what to play/ban. I actaully never expected Rito to remove smthing, but I was just surprised how they can release something like Zoe. There are more champs I hate, but it is more personal(Vladimir Anivia MalzaharRumble I just feel like those are braindead)

F Ù Ń2 votes

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Yes, and half of the time that's what makes them unfair/unenjoyable to play against

Cuz, it's totally fair, when you time it right to block skillshot that is coming from 45° right?

Statining that Q was broken does not rebut that W was/is as well.

  1. What is reason behind implementing RNG into game about skill? Like crit isn't enough? Let's add dragons, plans and now Zoe?
  2. Why was summoners spells made? To make potencial to outplay/to excuse mistakes(mainly flash here). And she just removes this. Not only that she will have 1 more flash, but she will also get ms and more dmg out of it? As Ahri main, tell me that Zoe's W isn't just superior to Ahri's W and it costs no mana and it provides you with Sspells, ms and damage, It even has bigger ap scaling.
  3. Her E active is OK now in my opinion, but why, just why is there true dmg as well, I'm not Dia as you are so idk, but it just seems (R-word)ed to me.
  4. Again, I'm not high elo as you, but waveclearing with spell is room for poking with every single champ I played so far, right?

What counter play? Set a tank in front of target, yeah, that's the way. Like she was only one that stands far back while farming(she don't actually cuz q can't oneshot whole wave as Xerath, Brand, Lux etc.)

Did you just stated by yourself that not only her Q was broken? Why can't you get on top of her? Cuz of her E. Why can't you roam? Cuz you never know if you'll get hit by E(and also her not bad wave clear)

But it would be rly nice if she had her dmg on skillshots? She can oneshot you with her skillshots + she has guaranteed enormous amounts of dmg without doin anything...

Lol, a salty Ahri main, look at her with here 3 dashes, and long freakin Charm that pretty much gives a kill, and her instalocking W that does a truck ton of dmg. Look at her with sustain on her Q, and a ultimate that’s so useful

Guess what?

I’m an M7 Zoe main. I still play her after her nerfs. 47% winrate, are you kidding me? You’re complaining about a champ who’s literally like 5th worse winrate in the game. Not my fault after freezing and zoning you out of minions, you suddenly stand still waiting to cs. Not my fault you were hugging a wall. Not my fault you were really predictable. If you think Zoe’s E is op, trust me, you can do many things with a slow with 2 seconds until sleep. You can A-Walk behind minions B-Walk behind Champs C-Try and cc Zoe, flash, and try to juke her. Did I i mention my R does no dmg, and after nerfs, my W does no dmg. My only really dmg is my Q, and my e is to set up for that. More Sparkles has been nerfed as well. But hey, lets keep on flaming Riot for creating a character when you stand still, go 0/6 in 15 minutes, and have Zoe one shotting with 6/0. What do our poor Ahri mains have to deal with? Zoe’s W comes in clutch, and makes you think hard for using it, Ahri just pressed W and watches dmg. Ahri Mains also have an ult that can do 300 dmg at least, for 3 dashes, (In total a lot of dmg) similar to flash. Pathetic, crying Ahri mains are crying about their ult being lengthened to 120 second cool down, yet they have a 3.2 second stun, (which essentially kills them) that is really easy to land. But sure, keep crying Ahri mains.

Albus Rumbledore3 votes

I'm honestly kinda tilted right now, but. You moth*****in r****d, just read it again. I'm not Ahri main, I didn't said Ahri is weak and yes, Zoe, even with her 47% winrate, is unfair, unfun champ, with implemented RNG in game about skill. Gosh I read it again, you must be rly bad in reading, nowhere in my text I stated that her E is undodgable, just that it gives her TRUE DMG for no reason. If you are Zoe main, keep crying, I hope that she will stay on 47%, cuz she can't be balanced, it's not your foult, nor mine, it's Rito's fault, idk how this champ maked it through testing.

F Ù Ń1 votes

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I'm honestly kinda tilted right now, but. You moth*****in r****d, just read it again. I'm not Ahri main, I didn't said Ahri is weak and yes, Zoe, even with her 47% winrate, is unfair, unfun champ, with implemented RNG in game about skill. Gosh I read it again, you must be rly bad in reading, nowhere in my text I stated that her E is undodgable, just that it gives her TRUE DMG for no reason. If you are Zoe main, keep crying, I hope that she will stay on 47%, cuz she can't be balanced, it's not your foult, nor mine, it's Rito's fault, idk how this champ maked it through testing.

You said as Ahri Main, not my fault you can’t type correctly. Instead of telling me to read better, you should simply type better. Also, that true damage really helps, as she is useless against tanks, while a bunch of other mages and assassins burst down tanks. Especially knowing tanks now do the dmg of ADCs for some reason, that damage is important to survive. She in fact can be balanced, if you rework her w, then she is balanced. Also please revise your posts. You can’t seem to type fault

Minimac20001 votes

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Lol, a salty Ahri main, look at her with here 3 dashes, and long freakin Charm that pretty much gives a kill, and her instalocking W that does a truck ton of dmg. Look at her with sustain on her Q, and a ultimate that’s so useful

Guess what?

I’m an M7 Zoe main. I still play her after her nerfs. 47% winrate, are you kidding me? You’re complaining about a champ who’s literally like 5th worse winrate in the game. Not my fault after freezing and zoning you out of minions, you suddenly stand still waiting to cs. Not my fault you were hugging a wall. Not my fault you were really predictable. If you think Zoe’s E is op, trust me, you can do many things with a slow with 2 seconds until sleep. You can A-Walk behind minions B-Walk behind Champs C-Try and cc Zoe, flash, and try to juke her. Did I i mention my R does no dmg, and after nerfs, my W does no dmg. My only really dmg is my Q, and my e is to set up for that. More Sparkles has been nerfed as well. But hey, lets keep on flaming Riot for creating a character when you stand still, go 0/6 in 15 minutes, and have Zoe one shotting with 6/0. What do our poor Ahri mains have to deal with? Zoe’s W comes in clutch, and makes you think hard for using it, Ahri just pressed W and watches dmg. Ahri Mains also have an ult that can do 300 dmg at least, for 3 dashes, (In total a lot of dmg) similar to flash. Pathetic, crying Ahri mains are crying about their ult being lengthened to 120 second cool down, yet they have a 3.2 second stun, (which essentially kills them) that is really easy to land. But sure, keep crying Ahri mains.

Ye, it's just people only remember pre nerf zoe, which was a nightmare. Honestly zoe really doesn't need any more nerfs, she could actually use a buff as long as it's to her q, she's pretty much ryze/azir tier rn

Thefrostyviking2 votes

OP dont you find it unreasonable that kai sa both acts as a semi assassin but also a hyperscaling marksman?

I am fairly sure she is in the top 3 for DPS in the entire game, she has self peel, assassination potential and mixed damage.

Her only weakpoint is early on, but like all stormrazor user she rapidly scales past it.

She is a tad bit over the top......

Rock MD2 votes

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OP dont you find it unreasonable that kai sa both acts as a semi assassin but also a hyperscaling marksman?

I am fairly sure she is in the top 3 for DPS in the entire game, she has self peel, assassination potential and mixed damage.

Her only weakpoint is early on, but like all stormrazor user she rapidly scales past it.

She is a tad bit over the top......

I do think she's over the top. That is why, as I said, I think she deserves needs and I'm happy with the tank busting getting nerfed because that felt the most random when looking at her direction and thematics.

Pika Fox2 votes

Nope. She has short range and is easily punished, as most of her damage is in her passive which requires multiple autos to execute, her winrate at worlds is abyssmal because shes so overrated. Shes fun as hell, but her power is overrated.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Correct me if i am wrong or if the site is bad but according to this :

http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/140/season-S8/split-ALL/tournament-World%20Championship%20Play-In%202018/patch-ALL/role-ADC/league-ALL/

She had 76% presence and 69% winrate in the play-ins.

And now she has 86% presence and 51,6% winrate.

Overrated? When being a extremely contested pick that maintains a positive winrate even after pro´s got used to seeing her?

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

and for the people complaining about it here, it blows my mind you choose to complain about that skill when that's by far the most reasonable ability in his kit

Ahahahaha. Good one.

Rock MD1 votes

It's a long CD ability with clear limitations, counter play, etc. the only actual issue with it is the super forgiving hitbox

Nyarlathοtep3 votes

Counterplay? Oh please tell me what is it. Reposition myself to avoid his w? In which world do i get this luxury? Here let me help you to understand how bullshit of an ability it is.

Lets say a teamfight occurs. Your tank has engaged. In front of your tank there is yasuo. Your team focuses him. At that moment he uses windwall. You cant use any projectiles for the reminder of his w. However you cant wait it out. Your tank is getting shredded by the enemy. He cant move because he gets cc locked. Your only option is to fight back. But you cant use projectiles.

Please tell me whats the counterplay on this shit. Im waiting.

Rock MD1 votes

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Counterplay? Oh please tell me what is it. Reposition myself to avoid his w? In which world do i get this luxury? Here let me help you to understand how bullshit of an ability it is.

Lets say a teamfight occurs. Your tank has engaged. In front of your tank there is yasuo. Your team focuses him. At that moment he uses windwall. You cant use any projectiles for the reminder of his w. However you cant wait it out. Your tank is getting shredded by the enemy. He cant move because he gets cc locked. Your only option is to fight back. But you cant use projectiles.

Please tell me whats the counterplay on this shit. Im waiting.

Bait it out? Wait it's long CD? Move to the side?

The spell is impactful for sure but there are limitations to playing around it. If your tank fucks up and isn't paying attention to big ticket abilities that's not Yasuo's fault, that's your tank being an idiot.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

Im talking about teamfights. There is not 'BAIT IT OUT'. If you bait it out yasuo himself or even his whole team wont teamfight.

Move to the side? Are you fking kidding me? I just explained to you WHY REPOSITIONING most of the times doesnt work. Dont make me repeat the same over and over again.

So i ask again, tell me the counterplay of yasuo's w. Im waiting.

Rock MD1 votes

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Im talking about teamfights. There is not 'BAIT IT OUT'. If you bait it out yasuo himself or even his whole team wont teamfight.

Move to the side? Are you fking kidding me? I just explained to you WHY REPOSITIONING most of the times doesnt work. Dont make me repeat the same over and over again.

So i ask again, tell me the counterplay of yasuo's w. Im waiting.

You clearly don't want an answer, you just want to be reaffirmed that Yasuo is bullshit OP.

The point of the spell is to be good in straight up slugfest deathball teamfights but it's easy to knock down and then catch Yasuo out in sieges. He doesn't build much, if any CDR so the spell still has a 14 second window after it pops to engage on him and ruin his day so if you're not forcing it before fighting idk what to tell you.

Nyarlathοtep

And they usual bullshit strikes again! Why am i not surprised i wonder.

Its easy to knock down and catch yasuo? Excuse me? What kind of misinformation is this? Unless you have point and click cc you cant catch him easily.

. He doesn't build much, if any CDR so the spell still has a 14 second window after it pops to engage on him and ruin his day so if you're not forcing it before fighting idk what to tell you.

For the last time. If his w is on cd HE WONT TEAMFIGHT. GOD DAMN. Can you read? Like seriously now can you? FIghting him when his w is on cd? Dude do you even teamfight? If his w is on cd he wont teamfight-he will play safe. Simple as that.

Rock MD1 votes

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And they usual bullshit strikes again! Why am i not surprised i wonder.

Its easy to knock down and catch yasuo? Excuse me? What kind of misinformation is this? Unless you have point and click cc you cant catch him easily.

For the last time. If his w is on cd HE WONT TEAMFIGHT. GOD DAMN. Can you read? Like seriously now can you? FIghting him when his w is on cd? Dude do you even teamfight? If his w is on cd he wont teamfight-he will play safe. Simple as that.

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I said that in deathball teamfights it's a good spell so try force his windwall in sieges because he'll either pop it and then, based on your comp, you can catch him and kill him right there

or he plays safe and you can force the tower

don't ask me if I can read when you can't even conceptualize a basic idea I describe holy fuck

Nyarlathοtep

And how exactly do you force him to use his windwall in sieges? Oh please tell me. Unless he is on the frontline, you cant bait him to use it. And even if you do manage to bait him to use it, chances are that you used an important cd yourself, e.x blitz's q.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Unfortunately this is the case in lane where you have space and time to move around but not so much later on, in skirmishes were you need to do things right away to help your team his windwall is ridiculously toxic to deal with for many if not most champs with any kind of projectile ability.

Sergeant HbA1c1 votes

Here's something that irks me... why does it reveal fog of war? Didn't they nerf Anivia's wall a while back so she couldn't use it to grant vision?

But that's not the issue I want to point out. The biggest beef I have with Riot currently is that they've made flashy champs as of late, and balanced the game to make them shine. "Woah look how cool and quick everything is going." Ya and look at how many champions have been benched because they aren't meta. Season 8 had a mission statement, "play the way you want to play." What they neglected to include was, "Just be aware some things are better than others."

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