Riot, you NEED to tone down damage

CrazedPorcupine·11/22/2017, 11:38:33 AM·84 votes·2,530 views

As an incredibly LONG time Soraka player, the entire fantasy is being able to recover allies from the damage they take. I've played some "unique" soraka builds through the years that I found fun, entertaining, and incredibly successful for myself. Back in the Elesia's Miracle days, I ran Heal/CV with Crucible for a total of 4 heals. I went flashless during an era where people though flash was a necessity. But the vision I provided, along with the massive amounts of healing for myself and allies meant that I could stay safe, despite not having flash.

You removed Elesia's Miracle. I adjusted, I grew, I ADAPTED. You reworked Soraka's kit to make her better at healing, but at the cost of her own health. I Vehemently opposed the changes you were making, and told you that they would break her. (I made multiple posts on the PBE, and tweets to Rickless). I played her anyways, I kept adjusting, growing with the changes, sticking by her. I used HP regen runes and felt safe, felt like my laning phase was STRONG. Then, you added Heal/Shield boost, and I realized that Soraka would be Pick/ban status for MONTHS. Oh well, I survived, I endured. I sat through the nerfs, the changes, and overall adjustments. Safe in knowing that no matter what, In laning phase I could endure the changes to whatever items, since I had the sustain to keep my allies healthy, and not worry about myself.

THEN PRESEASON HIT. AND HOLY MOTHER OF BALLS DID IT HIT HARD. Soraka... she was still "Soraka" but her laning phase? It was gone. Her mana needs were now outrageous. The bullying capable by more aggressive Aery users was just too much for Soraka to really handle especially as Q became far more necessary to sustain myself. But all the things I had to offset the costs of Soraka's kit were gone... The health regen, the mana regen, all of it gone. Suddenly I found myself unable to keep up with trades, to help alleviate the pressure my ADC would take, to the point where I've had to watch my lane mate recall 3 times in 5 minutes because they got bullied more than I could sustain them.

Riot, in ALL the Keystones you now have... you have incredibly few that focus entirely on defense and support. In fact, you could make an argument that all keystones are primarily for damage. Guardian, Summoner Spell book. Those 2 runes are the ONLY keystones that offer absolutely NOTHING but defense. All others provide damage, and were primarily focused on Damage. Even Summon Aery, one of the keystones that supports viewed as "Their" keystone, is taken for damage because it has some of the highest damage output of keystones in the game.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. THERE ARE NO RUNES FOR JUST HEALTH REGEN, NOTHING FOR MANA REGEN (Except mana band that's a FUCKING ONCE PER MINUTE RUNE), NOTHING to make characters that don't bring damage to the game feel like they can withstand the massive brutality that is the sheer amount of damage available in the new Rune's Reforged system. Bard suffered this effect too. Sure Bard could still take electrocute, and replicate the really insane early damage that he used to have in thunderlord's, but he's been struggling. Ivern also suffered this. You had to buff his shield by nearly 20% to offset the loss of Windspeakers.

Soraka still has the absurd late game she always has, but her early game is now so damaged, that she will rarely survive the game lasting to the point where her healing can outdo damage.

Please, PLEASE give us Sorakas, Iverns, and Bards a keystone that focuses on protection and healing that actually feels GOOD. Not a fucking useless rune in a tree that just doesn't feel good to spec into (Resolve...)

I've had to actually uninstall the game because I feel like every game is a snowball game that's decided at 5 minutes, with me unable to anything to save the game. I can't handle the salt and disappointment that I feel with the game. I literally view any time logged onto league as wasted time.

EDIT: People are still incredibly polarized about how strong Soraka should be allowed to be. Let it be known that I am FULLY aware that Soraka is a toxic, cancerous champion who's very design is antithetical to the design space of league. HOWEVER, I feel like there are ways to make soraka far more engaging a champion to play against and AS while being far more healthy to league overall.

My idea for Soraka's W was to change it so that it grants a shield first, then after 1.5 seconds, it gets converted to gray health, which then refills over time. Damaging a champion while the gray health is ticking, would remove ALL the gray health that they have on them and shorten out the heal. This would still enable Soraka to be a potent out of combat healer, but in combat, it'd be far harder for her to keep allies topped off, as she'd be using shields instead of health. This also provides decision making in lane. "Do I hold onto my heal for later, when they can't be aggressive and pop it? or do I try to heal my ally and risk the heal being cut short?

By making the heal far more risky, you can make the heal overall more powerful, as it's an out of combat effect.

23 Comments

Thefrostyviking11/22/2017, 2:49:17 PM18 votes

Soraka still has the absurd late game she always has, but her early game is now so damaged, that she will rarely survive the game lasting to the point where her healing can outdo damage.

Yeah here we have the reason why i and probably a lot of others find playing against soraka such a pain in the backside x)

The fact that she can(or could as of now) play passively in lane, not die, and then just become this spambot that makes it nigh impossible to kill anything she is sitting behind.

Like you had to win before 20 minutes or she´d give her team such much power they´d just run your own team down.

And heavens forbid if she and her marksman got ahead.

I think she needs another update before she can ever stand a chance of being accepted.

mew2811/22/2017, 10:33:36 PM4 votes

Cancer champ got gutted good riddance.

And A Real Hiero11/23/2017, 3:15:01 PM4 votes

Soraka being useless because damage being too damn high? I guess theres positives to this shit after all.

Smart Girl11/23/2017, 11:20:56 AM2 votes

ZOE 2 SHOT ME LVL 5 I WAS LVL 7 WTF IS THAT DMG?????????????????????????????????????

Blåbæret11/23/2017, 1:04:10 AM2 votes

Like the title, but the rest of your post is just a Soraka rant. As you said, she's a toxic champion and if it were up to me, I'd gut her and let her be trash tier until an eventual rework.

With that said, damage needs to be toned down and nerfed.

Cure Jolly 11/22/2017, 8:14:40 PM2 votes

I completely agree... I'm a support main who loves champions like Soraka, Janna etc and when I started to make my rune pages up I just stared at them like... where is all the support stuff? I hate playing at the moment because of the snowball games too. Since the new patch I've played 12 games and only won 2 of them...

TruelyTrueTrueth11/23/2017, 4:35:31 AM1 votes

i used to LOOOOOVE LOOOOOOOOOOOVE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE playing soraka but after the nerfs and changes that they threw at her i couldn't change or adapt the way you did to me they completely destroyed her they destroyed what made her fun to play i only pick her once and a while now and i agree with everything you said except maybe not that gray shield part looks like another nerf that she doesn't deserve

Red Wreckage11/23/2017, 6:33:13 AM1 votes

I fking hate soraka, this dumb cow champ is just toxin

but i like ur idea of shield+grey HP

and also damage really needs toning down....I mean I play damage heavy champs myself but even then I feel I'm outputting too much damage when slightly ahead. like Q->AA alone to kill things I previously wouldn't as Kha'zix with a build never built normally item 3042 item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3025

so upvote

Dengeden11/23/2017, 12:42:46 PM1 votes
  1. Look at the patchnotes.

  2. Don't do 1.

  3. Complain about damage

SanKakU11/23/2017, 2:49:31 PM1 votes

Soraka hasn't needed health regen runes for a long time now. If you're running those, were doing it wrong anyway. The game already has some newb trap runes, why do you want more?

Origami Kaiju11/23/2017, 3:53:32 PM1 votes

People disregarding your message because they see "Soraka" player and feel pent up rage at all their unsecured kills.

This isn't about Soraka, it's about despite the fact that we have all these new interesting runes, it feels like we actually have fewer options for specialized build paths.

In the past if you knew you were in an unfavorable matchup or not in your best role, you could itemize specifically so you could survive early and rely on your team to carry you until you could be useful. Now games are shorter, towers are weaker, and resistances are lower - which means your opportunity to just play safe and "farm it out" has been significantly reduced.

So, I don't think it's just about the numbers, it's about the fact that combing runes and mastery did end up removing a lot of specialization that the previous system provided.

FourVsFive11/23/2017, 9:43:25 PM1 votes

Soraka late game will only feel absurd if the enemy team does not get anti heal items, with anti heal items her late game is pretty meh still. And late game does not really exist that much in this meta either. Be lucky to build more then 2 items before game ends.

U can try things like spell book taking teleport to TP back real quick to regen fill up on potions in the mean time.

Kloqdq11/22/2017, 2:50:43 PM1 votes

OR

We buff defenses and we just flat line the damage. We could scale back or we could try and scale up the other part of the problem.

Poske11/22/2017, 2:56:39 PM1 votes

Question however

You do realise soraka was really effective extra levels in q aery abuser XDDD???

Improvise adapt overcome mate

I wont say that dmg in league is to high

I ll say that defense is to irrellevant however there is a small difference

KennysDreamGirl11/22/2017, 5:37:14 PM1 votes

they NEED to do a lot of things but have yet to do most of any of it

paperbIade11/23/2017, 2:01:02 AM1 votes

yep not fun getting killed less then 1 seconds as a squishy

DeleriumTremens11/23/2017, 3:35:33 AM1 votes

Lethality is the real issue. Lethality building champs with the new keystones (especially electrocute) are a nightmare for carries and mages. Its so bad that I am even seeing J4 building full lethality. This exact scenario happened last week- I was beyond fed on jinx , up on the entire opponent team by probably 2-3 levels. In my mind game is over... Oh nvm wait, a j4 that is 3 levels behind me with maybe 60% of gold aquired just 1 shot me... oh wait, he had a duskblade.. wait why? Ah thats why.. Feelsbadman. But as usually riot will fine tune things as the season progresses and soraka will become permabanned for a time period dont worry