To those complaining about preseason (IE: Yasuo OP, X item too stronk, etc)

Lao Fu the Tiger·Nov 5, 2015·27 votes·3,873 views

Be patient.

Preseason is over a month long. There are several patches that take place during preseason, and the first few patches of the next season are still usually cleaning up preseason leftovers.

We have had.... 4 PBE updates (read: not even a single patch (readread: not even started on one patch) ). Things will change. Preseason is ALWAYS super hectic and crazy. This year is no different.

Of course there are outliers at the moment, but they'll be adjusted, or the items will be adjusted, so that the game remains as balanced as possible.

Remember, balance is not an immediate thing; it's not something we can predict, and it's not something we can expect to immediately change. Give it time, and let's all get ready for an AWESOME SEASON 6.

58 Comments

DurzakaNov 5, 20159 votes

Thats the point though...

If people dont complain, things have a chance of not getting done.

Complaining/giving feedback is fine. Losing your fucking mind over the changes and think the game is destroyed is not fine.

LeetriNov 6, 20152 votes

I think OP meant complaining as in whining. "GG gonna delete my account and move to HoN" and such comments are useless complaints, and most of the time that's what people upvote on the boards.

Lao Fu the TigerNov 6, 20152 votes

Basically this. I know feedback is necessary, maybe a "Hey, has anyone seen Yasuo?"

But the "**** this game balance out the window, season 6 is gonna be trash, ADCs are going to be OP and Yasuo and blahblahblahblah" is not any good.

BultzNov 5, 20154 votes

I'm sorry, but Yasuo is far from op. He is only op when he is fed, but that is every champion. feed a Shaco he owns, feed a Akali she owns. one an equal level Yasuo isn't op. have you tried frighting a Leblanc ? Or a Mordekaiser ? or even Riven ? this whole this about Yasuo being op is nonsense. Yes Yasuo does do damage late game, but he is a fighter/ assassin. that's like saying its unfair for Sona to heal champions when other supports cant. It take good plays and work for Yasuo to get kills and if you're not skilled enough to avoid or counter that's on you. Hell play a Garen right and he is unkillable. Have you tried fighting a stacked Nasus ? Yasuo is balanced, just because people outplay you doesn't mean he needs nerfing(again)

PrinceOfStormsNov 5, 201511 votes

Have you even seen yasuo on the PBE? item 3087 + item 1018 gives him 100% crit. There's the mastery that gives him free 15% lifesteal and 20% AS on-crit, and now Yasuo powerspikes way too hard.

So yes, he will be OP when the preseason hits, and Riot will have to nerf or remove his double crit (or make his crit damage something like 120% AA damage instead of 190% AA damage)

The Yetii RiderNov 5, 20152 votes

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Have you even seen yasuo on the PBE? + gives him 100% crit. There's the mastery that gives him free 15% lifesteal and 20% AS on-crit, and now Yasuo powerspikes way too hard.

So yes, he will be OP when the preseason hits, and Riot will have to nerf or remove his double crit (or make his crit damage something like 120% AA damage instead of 190% AA damage)

It's 180% on Live. (He deals 10% less damage. 10% of 200 is 20, 200-20 = 180. If he has IE, he deals 225% instead of 250%).

Robert SmithNov 5, 20151 votes

still heals from it though

PrinceOfStormsNov 6, 20151 votes

His crit damage should be reduced by 40% if he's getting 100% crit off of one item.

The Yetii RiderNov 6, 20151 votes

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His crit damage should be reduced by 40% if he's getting 100% crit off of one item.

The only item that could give him 100% crit is Zeke's Herald, and I imagine if building that becomes popular on him (could be really strong if the meta shifts to duo mid) then it will be changed.

BultzNov 5, 20151 votes

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Have you even seen yasuo on the PBE? + gives him 100% crit. There's the mastery that gives him free 15% lifesteal and 20% AS on-crit, and now Yasuo powerspikes way too hard.

So yes, he will be OP when the preseason hits, and Riot will have to nerf or remove his double crit (or make his crit damage something like 120% AA damage instead of 190% AA damage)

That's PBE they always nerf it before release for one. Secondly they nerfed champs like Leblanc, but her at level 1 does half your hp in damage. Plus the stuns and slows and all of it combined rock Yasuo. Yasuo is easy to counter. His basic q does 1/10 the damage of most mid landers. He has a wind wall which does no damage, his ult depends on his skill shots his e does damage but no where near as much as other champions. And his q doesn't do that much damage unless you feed him. At which point all fed opposites become op anyways. But he isn't like veigar where even if he is 0/12 he can come back. Or morde who just fkes everyone sideways.

The FastNov 5, 20156 votes

That's PBE they always nerf it before release for one.

As someone who keeps up with, and has an account on, the PBE: HAHAHHAHAHAHAAA AHHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHHAAH

No.

Whiteeye AvelynNov 5, 20153 votes

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I'm sorry, but is far from op. He is only op when he is fed, but that is every champion. feed a he owns, feed a she owns. one an equal level isn't op. have you tried frighting a ? Or a ? or even ? this whole this about being op is nonsense. Yes does do damage late game, but he is a fighter/ assassin. that's like saying its unfair for to heal champions when other supports cant. It take good plays and work for to get kills and if you're not skilled enough to avoid or counter that's on you. Hell play a right and he is unkillable. Have you tried fighting a stacked ? Yasuo is balanced, just because people outplay you doesn't mean he needs nerfing(again)

Its funny how most people downvoted this due to how much they hate yasuo instead of finding a way to just beat him

BultzNov 5, 20152 votes

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Its funny how most people downvoted this due to how much they hate yasuo instead of finding a way to just beat him

You're right. I played a Leblanc yesterday for example. She used her basic to take off my shield and with her dash half hped me. That was her at level 1. I barely did. 1/10 damage on her with my q. Yasuo is so easy to counter and he has no escapes so a gank or two and its gig for him. But people in low elo on here crying because when they lane against Yasuo they have no clue what their doing and cry for nerfs.

XsN1p3rdUde2009xNov 5, 20153 votes

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You're right. I played a Leblanc yesterday for example. She used her basic to take off my shield and with her dash half hped me. That was her at level 1. I barely did. 1/10 damage on her with my q. Yasuo is so easy to counter and he has no escapes so a gank or two and its gig for him. But people in low elo on here crying because when they lane against Yasuo they have no clue what their doing and cry for nerfs.

Silver 4 isn't low elo?

I play a decent amount of Yasuo (Gotta make those Faker plays for them montages) and I don't really find him broken, you just need to know his powerspikes. He perma pushes lane making him extremely vulnerable to ganks, among other things. I can see why people find him op, but he gets kited and destroyed. He's also fun to play, but all the fun to play champions are hated to play against.

BultzNov 5, 20151 votes

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Silver 4 isn't low elo?

I play a decent amount of Yasuo (Gotta make those Faker plays for them montages) and I don't really find him broken, you just need to know his powerspikes. He perma pushes lane making him extremely vulnerable to ganks, among other things. I can see why people find him op, but he gets kited and destroyed. He's also fun to play, but all the fun to play champions are hated to play against.

I didn't say I was high elo I said everyone complaining is very inexperienced and likes to blame Yasuo for them losing lane when it's just that their bad. As far as my low elo, I went 5 games of s ranked wins and then I had teams that top and bot went 0/8 in 5 minutes and at that point what can one do when they have 4 fed and me and my opponent mid lane are still 0/0? That was 5 games straight of feeders and since rankings are win or lose I got placed s4.

He isn't op in the slightest, but he is a fighter/assassin ment to just kill. Saying he is op is none sense. Morde is op he can 5v1 under fed and low hp. Yasuo takes a lot of countering skill shots and outplays to win and he is a squishy. Leblanc for example does half hp damage with her being level 1. And yasuos q or e being which ever you start with won't do near that amount of damage. At level 3 she has stuns Sasha hits and really just an overwhelming kit.

ayNigerianPrinceNov 6, 20151 votes

Let's not compare champions that fulfill completely different roles, mmk?

BultzNov 6, 20151 votes

ughh yeah fucking lets. late game roles don't matter, yasuo being mid and nasus being top don't matter when nasus stacks and fucking goes 1 hitting people. Or that morde was one hitting people all season. o\

Hello I am BirdNov 6, 20151 votes

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ughh yeah fucking lets. late game roles don't matter, yasuo being mid and nasus being top don't matter when nasus stacks and fucking goes 1 hitting people. Or that morde was ~~one~~ three hitting people all season because it takes 3 auto attacks to proc his 1800 damage aa o\

Yw.

ayNigerianPrinceNov 6, 20151 votes

Good job at completely missing the point of what I said.

LeBlanc is known as an assassin to have a very strong early to mid game, while Yasuo is a fighter assassin with a strong mid to late game. The fact that you compared the damage between the two at FUCKING LEVEL ONE is extremely ignorant and silly.

THE FIR3BLOODNov 6, 20152 votes

Mordekaiser actually is oppressive and too strong, but isn't OP. Xin Zhao on Release was OP, Yasuo on Release was OP. Mordekaiser fulfills his role Riot gave him - simply too good, but that doesn't mean he is OP. Also he can't 1v5 the whole enemy team under normal circumstances. If your bot always rushes to the lane and try to kill Morde while being 4k gold behind it is possible, but not in normal games. Don't overexxagerate.

The same with Le Blanc. She will take "half of Yasuos HP" if she has her first item faster. Level 1 spells without high amounts of AP (she has normal AP scalings) will be used go for poke or utility - and that's like 5~10% HP without having the shield up - which is nothing compared to Yasuos level 1/2. Simply by looking into your matchhistory I can tell that you're bad at Yasuo. Most of the time you don't build IE right after Shiv. That's not a problem, if you at least go for Tri Force for your second item after Shiv, but you didn't bother doing this either. You run around with 80% CR and don't bother to get to 100%, sometimes you even built Stinger, which is utter bullshit on Yasuo. Your masteries are completely unviable for sustaining in-lane and your runes are as bad as your masteries. The only time you got a good KDA was due to your team carrying through the TFs.

Honestly you shouldn't post anything about Yasuo anymore. I don't react to others ELO ('cuz I exactly know how it is in to rank silver-gold), but talking about champions you haven't mastered (that includes masteries and runes for them, as well as the itemization) is utterly bullshit. Also saying that LeBlanc takes half your HP at level one and that LeBlanc counters Yasuo shows no sign of mastery of Yasuo.

FTMHukY4PsNov 7, 20151 votes

Bronze Yasuo main, I just figured everything out and I'm learning slowly, logged in just to upvote this because Leblanc is one the easiest match ups I'll find aside from that Lee Sin a few games ago.

THE FIR3BLOODNov 6, 20152 votes

LeBlanc doesn't even slightly counter Yasuo. Yasuo's level 1-4 are way stronger than LeBLancs, and even without building pressure on her by taking away her HP, he can simply push the wave into her tower and force her to use her spells/mana on the minions, which gives Yasuo free time to roam. Good Yasuo's won't stay near the enemy turret, but near their own one. Hell, who plays Yasuo and risks getting killed only by staying near their turret?

EndlessSorcererNov 5, 201515 votes

Personally, I downvoted it because the multitude of champion pictures makes it annoying to read and screws up the spacing.

MelledoneusNov 5, 20155 votes

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spank me leeNov 6, 20151 votes

well then thats just the community being butthurt. not being right about actual facts. what a pity.

SilverDrakeNov 5, 20151 votes

The issue is that Yasuo is a FEAST or FAMINE type champion. He deals to much damage when is ahead and and too little when he is behind. No likes yasuo becuase Kit feels over loaded and the preseason so far has made it so his power spike hits harder and earlier that the current season.

BultzNov 5, 20151 votes

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The issue is that Yasuo is a FEAST or FAMINE type champion. He deals to much damage when is ahead and and too little when he is behind. No likes yasuo becuase Kit feels over loaded and the preseason so far has made it so his power spike hits harder and earlier that the current season.

You're right he is fast or famine, but he isn't op. All champions deal to much damage when their head though. As far as his kit being stocked to much, riven has a dash a stun an op shield a knock up and a ranged ult, her early game is op. That's stacked. Veigar has a stun and his damage is beyond op he can come back from being 0/15. Morde is just over kill. Leblanc has invisible dashes in and has a stun and has op hits. Shaco can turn invisible and just gank anyone. Vayne doesn't even need damage just speed to be op. I can go on and on, Yasuo isn't stacked you even kill him during his ult. I don't get why everyone constantly picks on him. He has a skill shot so hit or miss. His shield blocks yes but that's no damage. His dash only works if their are minions around. And his ult only does damage if he is already fed. Otherwise it's just a long stun

THE FIR3BLOODNov 6, 20151 votes

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You're right he is fast or famine, but he isn't op. All champions deal to much damage when their head though. As far as his kit being stocked to much, riven has a dash a stun an op shield a knock up and a ranged ult, her early game is op. That's stacked. Veigar has a stun and his damage is beyond op he can come back from being 0/15. Morde is just over kill. Leblanc has invisible dashes in and has a stun and has op hits. Shaco can turn invisible and just gank anyone. Vayne doesn't even need damage just speed to be op. I can go on and on, Yasuo isn't stacked you even kill him during his ult. I don't get why everyone constantly picks on him. He has a skill shot so hit or miss. His shield blocks yes but that's no damage. His dash only works if their are minions around. And his ult only does damage if he is already fed. Otherwise it's just a long stun

Aatrox deals way too low damage being far ahead and is completely useless having the same amount of gold as the enemy or being behind. It's the same with other champions too. Gragas won't go for AP builds and therefor is only tanky being far ahead, but doesn't deal high amounts of damage. Just two examples.

For your listed champs: Riven is a snowball champions with high mobility and a shield to avoid getting blown up in TFs instantly. Riven is only strong being ahead, if Riven is behind she isn't a problem, even with her kit being "oppressive/unfair". Veigar isn't a problem if you don't let him farm. The only thing in TFs he can do is to land his stun and/or pressure the enemys positioning and blowing up the enemy squishies. He is listed as a control-mage with good late-game scaling for good reasons. He won't comeback if he loses the lane and not having anything to farm for AP and not having his core items. Mordekaiser is oppressive and stupid ATM. Leblanc has a scnare, not a stun. And this snare has to land and you have to be 1.5 seconds near LeBlanc to actually get snared and damaged. Her dashes are well visible and predictable - you consider yourself as Yasuo "main" so you should know that - so >GOOD< Yasuos can avoid both by using his dash or Windwall. The only things LeBlanc can hit 100% in-lane are her Q and Ult due to them being point&click, but they can be blocked by Windwall. Shaco has a great early-mid and falls off hard in late, even while being ahead. That's his trade-off for being a great ganker, especially in low-elo where some random guys call themselves "main", but are crap at the game and their "main champ". Vayne is just overpowered, if you don't have any CC for her. Her laning ATM is too strong for her late-game scaling, that's true, but picking some CC would help against her later on. Just focus the backline...

You don't even know the differences between stun and other CCs. You call his Q a "hard to land skillshot", which turns into a AoE knock-up after E->Q and his ultimate deals more damage than his Q/AAs, can crit and gives you even while ulting 50% armorpenetration. Just having 3 second CC in the kit and having the possibility to block damage two times in a TF is good enough for TFs while being behind. Stop talking about things you can't comprehend and learn the game.

spank me leeNov 6, 20151 votes

Don't worry, the boards are just on its period, the actual players of the game dont think like that or even give a shit.

BultzNov 6, 20151 votes

like right?

Sir ArmaMalumNov 5, 20154 votes

You're not alone in this sentiment OP, there are other patient people in the background waiting to get their hands on the changes and give them a good once over before assigning judgement.

N3mO06Nov 5, 20154 votes

I'll bet all my money that They will change nothig and that Yasuo will be a problem. #NoHopeForBalance

SincarnationNov 5, 20152 votes

Yo PBE tester here, Yasuo is pretty fucking bonkers atm (ty based Rito for crit update). In fact pretty much every marksman that got updated is pretty fucking bonkers. Don't worry though Riot will either listen to us on the PBE and balance it, or they will send it to live for you all to suffer for 2 weeks before they consider fixing it. Eventually though, it will get fixed. (The items are pretty fine with a few dumb interactions cough Rapid Firecannon Rengar Leap cough

kasfasNov 5, 20151 votes

That's a thing?! Dam; well thank you for bringing it up sir!

LaserDeathBladeNov 6, 20152 votes

Yeah because at the end of the season everything will be balanced, just like for S5

/kappa

kaltenashesNov 5, 20151 votes

awesome season 6 starting with reworking quinn and prob later akali... =/ Why my Goddesses Why item 3070

Lao Fu the TigerNov 5, 20151 votes

Because Quinn was broken (literally, not as in OP) and mega oppressive in top lane. Their taking off a bit of her top lane strength and fixed her bugs. Iirc

CibrecaNov 6, 20151 votes

They took off a bit of top lane and mid lane and bot lane and no lane strength. And fixed some bugs.

S H A Y C 0Nov 5, 20151 votes

Im looking forward to the amazing changes, especially the bold ranked Q changes that riot was very brave to implement. it looks good, sounds fun, and they are recreating the newness of the game that had been lost to me.

KoKobotoNov 5, 20151 votes

Fuck Yasuo, and fuck riot making him Numbers over Mechanics FUCK THAT

Fieryfury3Nov 6, 20151 votes

I think you have to have good mechanics and be fed to get to those bs numbers you're talking about.

CibrecaNov 6, 20151 votes

No his numbers are ridiculous. His q does 100% AD. I laned him. I had 500 life champ. He did 1 combo and took me down to 200 life. We were level 1.

The guy had 18 AD runes. I don't know if he aa-q-aa or if he just q--aa, but 300 damage at level 1--while I'm under my turret, is not 'good mechanics' but numbers.

Fieryfury3Nov 13, 20151 votes

Well at level one he had to dash auto and q you to even get close to that much damage, however you are level one sooooo only one ability. Anyway, considering he was under your tower. Why not auto him once and kill him since he is taking all those tower shots?

KoKobotoNov 7, 20151 votes

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I think you have to have good mechanics and be fed to get to those bs numbers you're talking about.

What number am I talking about?[zombie-nunu-hearts]

ModCaptainMårvelousNov 6, 20151 votes

Honestly, they push preseason to test out things on live.

The PBE is an awful place for balance because the average player just isn't that good so the only real way to get a statistical feel for balance is to let this stuff run wild for 1-2 patches and pick out what people have issue with.

HOWEVER. Obvious, glaring outliers like the crit-heal mastery should be dealt with.

NoeliciousNov 6, 20151 votes

I'm confused. To the people saying Yasuo is fine: Are you talking about live or PBE? They are two completely different beings with the new S6 masteries.

CibrecaNov 6, 20151 votes

When does the preseason start?

I want to use these new items.

I finally wish I actually got called for PBE.

HellioningNov 6, 20151 votes

And I don't like to play during pre-season entirely because of that.

Remember when Talon was insta-ban when Black Cleavers stacked? Or what Taric was ridiculous because of the damage he could do?

I don't like them making all of these changes every year.

LuggNov 7, 20151 votes

The problem is that Riot NEVER gets things balanced during the preseason. Ranked starts every year with stupidly broken champs.

NoPeenNoDreamDec 23, 20151 votes

What's OP about yasuo is the fact that he get's 100% crit from a static shiv a agility cloak alone. In my eyes thats what needs to be nerfed. They could reduce how much his passive gives him to X1.5 instead of a straight up X2