Ginsoo's OP now?

Azadethe··1 votes·222 views

I'm just going to throw this out there..... the new Ginsoo's now gives more per gold than the old one did in every way.

They may have removed 25 AP 10 AD, but in reality..... the On hit damage WAY makes up for it.

For example:

item 3146 item 3124 item 3089 item 3085 item 3115 on a Kayle

(Currently #1 champ in game as Top, in direct result to this change)

We'll just go with Precision/Sorcery, since that's what Stats pages are suggesting to build.

That's 9 base AP.

But.... the build gives Ginsoo's

545 AP, 153.4 AD.

Ginsoo's base On hit damage would be:

5+ 55 Magic damage 5+ 15 Physical damage.

That means..... Ginsoo's gives auto attacks on that Kayle 80 damage per hit, in addition to puffing her AP/AD by 24%.

The old Ginsoo's added 15 damage, but 10 more AD and 25 more AP.

That's 65 additional damage per hit in exchange for what would have been 19.5 damage. Netting an increase of 40 damage per hit.

And since it's Kayle, and uses item 3085 , that means 1) each hit has an aoe and 2) the aoe overlaps with runaan bolts and hit champs multiple times.

4 Comments

Hethalean1 votes

It's more of it's less of a 'one item, and you spike super hard' item. So it is really better late game, when you get one shot hard for bad play before you can even stack it up.

Also Kayle AoE doesn't stack with the Runaan's bolts. Just test it out in Practice tool if you don't believe it. You'll see AA damage, and on hit damage on the main target. Then on the secondary targets, you'll see AA damage from bolts, on hit damage from bolts, then AoE from E splash but only one instance of each. Compare it to jinx where you can see the damage stack up mathmatically.

Azadethe1 votes

The Central hit splashes. The offshoots gain augmented damage. So if a target is close to the primary target, it gets hit twice.

You're wrong.

I literally set up 3 dummies in a C Shape. when I attack the mid one from an angle where both the splash and the Runaan's hits one but not the other, I shred those 2 dummies, while the third target is only hit by the independent Runaan's Bolt.

And if Ginsoo's is fully charged, it's 2 Splashes every other time +Runaan's bolt damage, effectively hitting secondary targets up to 3 times per auto attack.

Hethalean1 votes

When you say splash, it makes it sound like you think the E splsah hits both. No, you just literally described what I just said so ok

Dope Solo1 votes

Boards logic - nothing is overpowered. Everything needs a buff, nothing needs a nerf - except damage which is too damn high.

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